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Emrys

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50. In my line of work (copy-editing for publishers), AI's been in use for some years.
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 10:58 PM
Mar 22

After it started to be brought in, not all the publishers I worked for and books I worked on used it. One, more traditional (and great, also lefty) publisher I work with has as yet nothing to do with it beyond maybe traditional spellchecking (and they seem to be surviving, if not thriving).

In the versions I've seen, AI in copy-editing has taken two forms: pre-processing of files in an attempt to do some of the tedious donkey work, and checking the files after they've been worked on, to pick up on issues that may have been missed by a human copy-editor.

I'm currently working for a project management firm (they take on preparatory work for publishers, turning authors' typescripts into the final typeset versions). A year or so ago, they went over to using a custom-designed online publishing system rather than using Microsoft Word, which is the industry standard. Its pre-processing's always been a bit hit or miss. It can certainly help do away with some aspects of RSI and mindbending tedium. But it can also screw up, sometimes spectacularly (and occasionally hilariously). As you'd expect, it can be very very literal-minded, and that doesn't always fit with work on something as frequently nuanced as language, and especially a language as cranky as English.

One quite mechanical task pre-processing can be of some help with is cross-checking references. A non-fiction author may write a book with numerous citations of publications in text, associated with a references section or bibliography. The scope for errors (and general author sloppiness) is obvious, and dealing with and resolving them can form the bulk of our work, so any assistance is usually welcome.

I'd say the online system I'm working on with my current project is maybe 85% functional, maybe a little more, which may sound pretty good, but the 15% or so error rate is more of a bane than you might think.

For instance, one problem I've encountered is with in-text citations using "et al." Et al. is short for et alia, which is Latin for "and others". It can be used with the main author's name as an alternative to listing all the author names for a publication (and there can be very many in research works).

The system I'm using parses anything in text that "looks like" it may be a citation: what it assumes to be a name plus a year of publication (usually after the name, in brackets). That can occasionally screw up in itself (say if someone's just mentioning a year in passing), generating nonsense author queries that we have to weed out before we risk annoying the authors with them.

This same system's currently having a mental block with "et al." If it finds an author surname in text followed by a year in brackets and associates that with a references entry that has multiple authors, it'll raise a query complaining bitterly if it can't find "et al." in the accompanying phrase in text. Occasionally, it's correct, the author just made a mistake, and it's easily remedied. But the way it's currently programmed, it doesn't detect the strings "et al.," or "et al.'s", so these queries are just nonsense and we need to delete them or the author may think we're halfwits.

So the pre-processing may well be doing away with some donkey work, but it's creating other donkey work instead.

In terms of checking files after I've worked on them, my client very much wants us to run a "grammar/spelling checker" after finishing our main run-through, and this can lead to quite a lot of fun and games. These checkers - more or less primitive examples of AI - have been around in various word processors for many years, so you'd think they'd be quite mature by now. Alas.

The checker gives us the option of checking in either US English or UK English. The book I'm working on needs to be in UK English, but with -ize endings, not -ise ones (in words like recognize/recognise). Whoever did the programming didn't allow for this, and assumed anyone working in UK English would just need to use -ise endings, whereas -ize endings in UK English is a common standard in publishing nowadays (it's what Oxford University Press specifies, for instance).

So after working though the chapter and running the checker, I have to go through and reverse every time it's changed an -ize ending into an -ise one. More tedious donkey work, and often a lot of it.

It also makes some other bloopers. It prefers the "Oxford comma" in serial lists (Tom, Dick, and Harry), whereas the client publisher (and I) much prefer to include such commas only if they help clarify the sense of a phrase. That's also much more a UK standard usage.

It's also got a nasty habit, just to keep us on our toes when checking in UK English, of changing any instances it finds of "US" or "United States" to "UK" or "United Kingdom". How that came about beats me.

So I find myself arguing with the checker as I go along, on this as well as a number of other of its foibles: "Look, buddy, I've been doing this work for nigh on forty years, man and boy. You're just a cobbled-together jumped-up pocket calculator with delusions of adequacy trained on god knows what source material and programmed by people who don't really understand many basic principles of English, let alone copy-editing, so butt out."

This system is considered near state of the art, and I read not long ago that a major publisher had licensed it for a considerable sum for use by its in-house editing team.

The problems I've described could be quite trivial to reprogram, but the problems are economics and business politics. I've reported the problems I've found to my line manager, but the response is often, "Yeah, we've told the developers about that, but it doesn't look like it's going to get fixed any time soon" - the implication being "if ever".

No doubt some serious resources were expended to develop this system to its current state, and I guess bean counters have said it's good enough for jazz, regarding our feedback as nitpicky gripes.

Which may well be what they sound like to any of you who've reached this far in what's a much, much longer screed than I intended when I started typing. If I sound cranky on DU sometimes, maybe you now understand why.

In an attempt to at least do the OP the respect of relating to it more obviously: when I started out as a copy-editor, I was working with paper typescripts, pens, vats of Tipp-Ex, reams of Post-Its, and far too much coffee and tobacco.

I know how to do all these processes manually and mentally, and that often helps when the software screws up. In fact, without that grounding, it might be difficult to detect and identify some of the software bloopers I've mentioned, along with others, let alone overcome them.

I doubt many publishing training courses nowadays put students through the sort of apprenticeship I was lucky enough to have way back - funnily enough, with that same lefty publisher I mentioned up top, and they and I are both still going strong.

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Not happening here! SheltieLover Mar 22 #1
Yvw, Sheltie! There is so much pressure and hype to use AI from the AI industry, and now from the Trump regime. highplainsdem Mar 22 #4
And it's hard to escape. Most major search engines have it embedded. erronis Mar 22 #16
Its similar to spell check, unless a person takes the effort to turn it off.. BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 23 #57
The risks, IMO, are a given and I will never embrace this dysfunctional garbage. SheltieLover Mar 22 #32
K & R Raastan Mar 22 #2
Thanks! highplainsdem Mar 22 #6
Important article Wild blueberry Mar 22 #3
You're welcome! After seeing that editorial from the U of Pennsylvania student paper yesterday, reading highplainsdem Mar 22 #46
Another skill that too many younglings have lost... GiqueCee Mar 22 #5
I can't write in cursive, either. GenThePerservering Mar 22 #7
Over the 70-odd years... GiqueCee Mar 22 #13
For what it's worth, I can't tell time on a sundial. Or use Stonehenge to schedule a harvest. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 22 #18
Neither. I click on the receiver cradle multiple times. erronis Mar 22 #22
Whoa! GiqueCee Mar 22 #29
easy Mossfern Mar 22 #41
The reason I was told in elementary school for learning cursive is because it is FASTER progree Mar 22 #24
Personally. I like Roman Numeral clocks. Sequoia Mar 22 #44
I have the clacky electric portable typewriter with ribbon too. Sadly, no rotary dial phone, progree Mar 22 #45
And party line phones. Sequoia Mar 23 #54
Your first two sentences reveal the tenuous ground the cursive argument stands on. Ilikepurple Mar 22 #25
My wife has a Masters Degree in Special Ed... GiqueCee Mar 22 #38
I think it would be interesting to hear your wives anecdotes, but you only mentioned analog clocks in your prior post. Ilikepurple Mar 22 #47
Cursive was torture for me. hunter Mar 23 #52
I have a similar background. I didn't use cursive until I started college. Ilikepurple Mar 23 #58
I couldn't agree more. SheltieLover Mar 22 #33
IDIOCRACY becomes reality and defines a new class of fuedal peasantry. Ford_Prefect Mar 22 #8
YOU GOT IT !!!!! Stargazer99 Mar 22 #23
Unlike many, BidenRocks Mar 22 #9
A.I. stands for Artificial Insemination. Same thing for AI except no long glove is used. twodogsbarking Mar 22 #10
Just the other day I was bemoaning lost skill sets even without AI nuxvomica Mar 22 #11
Or gardening...With summer coming and prices skyrocketing,well BattleRow Mar 22 #21
We've given up on gardening; very expensive wildlife food, lol! mwmisses4289 Mar 22 #28
Yes,that's understandable. BattleRow Mar 22 #37
Lol. For us it wasn't just the various caterpillars, stink bugs and other creepy crawlers, mwmisses4289 Mar 22 #39
Food insecurity is on the rise on All fronts! BattleRow Mar 22 #43
My experience as well Mossfern Mar 22 #42
Cripes, people can't even drive cars with manual transmissions anymore. SheltieLover Mar 22 #35
Or dial a rotary phone nuxvomica Mar 22 #36
LOL Yup, check writing has gone the way of cursive, apparently. SheltieLover Mar 22 #40
Today's parents don't get it because they weren't taught the basics in school FakeNoose Mar 22 #12
Agism is an unsavory business. littlemissmartypants Mar 22 #15
Actually, quite a number of the 20 and 30 somethings I know realized they were shortchanged. mwmisses4289 Mar 22 #30
Thanks for sharing this highplainsdem. ... littlemissmartypants Mar 22 #14
Big K & R. ALL parents must read this Psychology Today report if they want thinking children to control their futures. ancianita Mar 22 #17
There is evidence to support this all over social media debsy Mar 22 #19
Just an opinion... lonely bird Mar 22 #20
IMHO AI should be highly regulated, by gov't policies, parents and ourselves. Buddyzbuddy Mar 22 #26
Jensen Huang is one seriously evil fuck. Initech Mar 22 #27
I noticed all of these in my daughter 25 years ago - long before AI. Ms. Toad Mar 22 #31
I see this with software all the time. I am not a computer scientist LisaM Mar 22 #34
Adults also lost the ability to hand print and hand embellish books... WarGamer Mar 22 #48
The article is about cognitive atrophy in adults and cognitive foreclosure in children, because of AI highplainsdem Mar 22 #49
In my line of work (copy-editing for publishers), AI's been in use for some years. Emrys Mar 22 #50
That sounds maddening, Emrys. highplainsdem Mar 23 #53
Oh, I just scratched the surface on its cranky ways, and those of publishing in general Emrys Mar 23 #56
A big, not a feature DonCoquixote Mar 22 #51
This is going to be a big problem Johnny2X2X Mar 23 #55
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