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Ms. Toad

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39. What does proven false mean in your mind - found not guilty by a jury?
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 01:51 PM
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Juries still struggle to convict rapists, and not guilty does not mean the allegation was false - it means that the prosecution (the state, not the woman) did not prove to the jury that the person committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. To prove the allegation was wrong, a convicted person would need to seek an actual innocence finding.

The accuser found liable in a civil court? That number is vanishingly small. And, civil juries are just as likely to disbelieve women in liable cases against them as they are in criminal cases?

Complaint withdrawn? Many women just give up and withdraw their claims after being bullied into it by the accuser, family, friends, media, and people asserting things like a ridiculously high rate of false reports.

I am unaware of a single forum (aside from a civil defamation suit) in which an accuser is proven to have made a false accusation.

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" Why did the Swalwell accusers wait so long?" WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #1
Again, contradictions Chasstev365 Saturday #2
" why would you put yourself in the same exact situation a second time?" WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #3
Thank you for this post and your others in this thread. yardwork Saturday #12
Thank you for speaking eloquently on this EdmondDantes_ Saturday #13
How dumb can I be? Chasstev365 Saturday #14
The "you" in the post is rhetorical and is meant to show people what might be going through a victim's mind as they WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #17
I think you misunderstood the poster. yardwork Saturday #19
Well said. ananda Saturday #8
i agree with all that rampartd Saturday #4
The good ole days, right? ananda Saturday #9
If the details are right in the news. Then... RoeVWade Saturday #5
I am giving Swalwell the benefit of the doubt until more concrete evidence is available. Lonestarblue Saturday #6
Well, the timing sure is fishy. ananda Saturday #7
It's very possible the survivors are speaking now to prevent his election. yardwork Saturday #20
I get that. ananda Saturday #22
Remember there were 8 Franken accusers, including some Democrats n/t Ms. Toad Saturday #27
Why do I not believe these women right away? mwmisses4289 Saturday #10
San Francisco Chronicle published facts suggesting they're telling the truth ... Auggie Saturday #21
This does happen. ananda Saturday #28
Well, that sucks bigtime. mwmisses4289 Saturday #32
I know. It's been WAY too long like this. ananda Saturday #33
Your last sentence tends to prove the rest of your post. yardwork Saturday #11
I apologize for doing that. I didn't realize... ananda Saturday #23
Thanks for acknowledging that. yardwork Saturday #24
Tribes protect valuable members OC375 Saturday #15
How many times do we have to go over why victims keep it to themselves? eShirl Saturday #16
The same amount of times there have been false allegations? Mysterian Saturday #18
False allegations are fairly rare. yardwork Saturday #25
They are more common than you think. mwmisses4289 Saturday #34
Proven false often means the victim was so insulted, dismissed, blamed Ms. Toad Saturday #36
I will disagree with that. mwmisses4289 Saturday #37
Rape is the most difficult crime to prosecute Quiet Em Saturday #38
What does proven false mean in your mind - found not guilty by a jury? Ms. Toad Saturday #39
Proven false means just that- the person making the allegation lied about it. mwmisses4289 Saturday #40
My question is about "proven." You've been dancing around, but not answering that. Ms. Toad Saturday #41
I believe I have answered your question to the best of my ability. mwmisses4289 Saturday #42
You finally, for the first time, did something to explain the word you choose (proven). Ms. Toad Saturday #43
Why did the Trump and Epstein accusers said so long? Ms. Toad Saturday #26
Thank you for sharing your experiences here. yardwork Saturday #30
You're welcome. Ms. Toad Saturday #35
I will wait until passing judgment although his case looks bleak. GreenWave Saturday #29
"Why did the Swalwell accusers wait so long?" Wednesdays Saturday #31
waiting to come forward is a consequence of the abuse bigtree Saturday #44
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