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Mad_Machine76

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64. I believe, however, that it was near the end of the passage of the ACA
Wed May 27, 2026, 07:39 PM
21 hrs ago

when Lieberman torpedoed it and Obama had to make the difficult decision of having Democrats in the Senate and House cut it out so at least the rest of the ACA could pass. It did pass the House. It ultimately died in the Senate. Obama (rightly IMHO) wasn't willing to lose the entire thing for it. How much he campaigned for it is debatable, however, he never personally demanded that it be removed until Lieberman threatened a filibuster on final passage and he would have signed ACA with it (or, as the case ultimately was, without it).

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Here's a link from Wikipedia that appears to support my recollection of events Mad_Machine76 21 hrs ago #59
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I believe, however, that it was near the end of the passage of the ACA Mad_Machine76 21 hrs ago #64
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