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WarGamer

(18,910 posts)
24. Oooppsss. I got receipts.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 11:57 AM
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General Mark Milley (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff): In closed-door briefings to lawmakers in early February 2022, Milley testified that Kyiv could fall within 72 hours of a full-scale Russian invasion (Brooks & Tchantouridzé, 2023; War, 2024).

The Broader Intelligence Community: U.S. intelligence agencies operated under the assumption that Russia's quantitative advantages would quickly overwhelm Ukrainian conventional defenses, forcing the U.S. to plan for supporting a government-in-exile and an underground Ukrainian insurgency rather than a sustained conventional defense.

The German Military & Intelligence: In the opening days of the war, senior German military officials expressed similar public assessments, confidently stating on national television that Ukraine's defeat was mathematically certain and imminent (War, 2024).

French Intelligence: The French military intelligence directorate (DRM) similarly assessed a rapid Russian victory based on conventional force ratios, though its director was later replaced because the agency failed to accurately predict that Vladimir Putin would actually execute the order to cross the border (Shpiro, 2023).

The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI): In their extensive post-mortem of the initial invasion phase, analysts noted that Russia's operational plan itself aimed for a swift 10-day blitz to seize Kyiv and intended to complete the full annexation of the country by August 2022—exactly six months after the February launch (Zabrodskyi, 2022). Analysts globally found these expectations realistic based on the sheer 12:1 force ratio advantage Russia initially achieved north of Kyiv (Zabrodskyi, 2022).

The Marine Corps University Press / Military Historians: Academic reviews of the opening months highlight that according to standard military doctrines (like the 3:1 force ratio rule required for successful defense), Ukraine's active-duty numbers should have been easily overwhelmed by a coordinated multi-axis assault (Merkx, 2023).


Brooks, S., & Tchantouridzé, L. (2023). The war in Ukraine: the failure of deterrence. Security Science Journal, 4(2), 18–35. https://doi.org/10.37458/ssj.4.2.2

Dylan, H. (2025). Unveiling Russian intelligence failures in the Ukraine conflict: a strategic culture perspective. Intelligence and National Security, advance online publication. https://doi.org/10.1080/02684527.2025.2544460
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Gilliam, J. B., & Van Wie, R. C. (2022). Interim security insights and implications from the first two months of the Russia-Ukraine war. Brookings Institution. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/FP_20220512_ukraine_war_gilliam_van_wie.pdf
Cited by: 9

Merkx, G. W. (2023). Russia's war in Ukraine: Two decisive factors. Journal of Advanced Military Studies, 14(2), 13–33. https://doi.org/10.21140/mcuj.20231402001

Shpiro, S. (2023). Intelligence and the Ukraine war: Early lessons and research roadmap. National Security and the Future, 24(1). https://www.nsf-journal.hr/nsf-volumes/case-studies/id/1412

Tracy, C. L. (2026). Technological surprise and normalization through use: The tactical and discursive effects of new precision-strike weapons in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Texas National Security Review. https://tnsr.org/roundtable/new-precision-strike-weapons-in-the-russo-ukrainian-war/

War, C. (2024). Russia's war against Ukraine. Ifri Papers. Institut français des relations internationales. https://www.ifri.org/sites/default/files/2024-09/forsstrom_et_al._russia_seminar_24_web.pdf

Zabrodskyi, M. (2022). Preliminary lessons in conventional warfighting from Russia's invasion of Ukraine: February–July 2022. Royal United Services Institute (RUSI). https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine-Preliminary-Lessons-Feb-July-2022-web-final.pdf

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I remember you declaring Ukraine wouldn't last 6 months against Russia questionseverything Yesterday #1
What does that have to do with the OP? niyad Yesterday #3
so? WarGamer Yesterday #5
You're usually wrong questionseverything Yesterday #16
I'd say the vast majority of Ph.D's and think tank experts agreed with me. WarGamer Yesterday #20
lol, do you see these think tank experts? Are they in the room with you now? questionseverything Yesterday #23
Oooppsss. I got receipts. WarGamer Yesterday #24
And every expert was wrong.... This is a perfect example of why we need regular people in charge questionseverything Yesterday #25
lol you mean that NEOCON think tank you frequently cite? BannonsLiver Yesterday #46
#24 is for you too, lol... WarGamer 22 hrs ago #94
Yeah for my crowd! We weren't naive simpletons forgetting the corruption rampant in Mother Russia... GreenWave Yesterday #75
Omg I'm howling BannonsLiver Yesterday #47
You believe in an awful lot of conspiracy theories to be throwing stones EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #67
I believe American citizens have a right, in fact a duty to oversee our elections questionseverything Yesterday #72
I don't defend Republicans because their policies suck. Nanjeanne Yesterday #2
Thank you for posting. Irish_Dem Yesterday #4
Yuo fight with the weapon you have, even if the weapon sucks WarGamer Yesterday #7
Yes but there are strong weapons all around you. Irish_Dem Yesterday #26
can't argue against that! WarGamer Yesterday #27
You are living up to your name! Irish_Dem Yesterday #29
If they were strong weapons, they would be polling over 10% questionseverything 3 hrs ago #101
Theoretically? MineralMan Yesterday #6
There's always the Nazi tat? WarGamer Yesterday #8
Ever been in a tattoo parlor? MineralMan Yesterday #12
For the 14th time... this isn't a generic skull and bones "Jolly Rogers" WarGamer Yesterday #14
Only the 14th time? MineralMan Yesterday #15
LOL ... No you're not. Iggo 45 min ago #105
Well you really should take that up with the US government who evaluates tattoos during Nanjeanne Yesterday #21
Do you have any comments about his rape apologist remarks, which niyad Yesterday #18
I do not. MineralMan Yesterday #22
I do not vote in Maine either, but the thought of someone with his niyad Yesterday #28
Susan Collins has supported men with a spotty track record on women... mr715 Yesterday #49
So Collins who confirmed Brett Kavanaugh to end legal abortions Emile Yesterday #58
I see what you did there Emile. mr715 Yesterday #59
Speaking of voting in Maine, there is a senator from Vermont Nixie Yesterday #34
Oh Christ mr715 Yesterday #45
Oh dear Nixie Yesterday #48
Oh heavens mr715 Yesterday #50
Lame. Thanks for your concern. Nixie Yesterday #52
Oh my mr715 Yesterday #54
oh my dog Cirsium 1 hr ago #102
Seems like a limerick. betsuni Yesterday #80
........... Nixie 22 hrs ago #96
Woah. That's (above) a horrible (and not so rare) comnent about sexual assault victims! electric_blue68 Yesterday #73
Mills does not have a chance. mr715 Yesterday #76
Got it. electric_blue68 Yesterday #79
Those comments are what some of us have been pointing out for niyad 21 hrs ago #97
Amazing how people overlook his actual statements. nt mcar Yesterday #57
It's sickening MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #63
Does the tattoo now look like the State of Ohio? Emile Yesterday #9
That or a Rorschach test? WarGamer Yesterday #10
"It's a Rorschach test, and it says you're projecting." Emile Yesterday #17
I thought it looked like the tick I just removed from my leg Dave says Yesterday #81
"Theoretically" hell no we would not support him, but you put a D next to his name and we will sell our souls krawhitham Yesterday #11
So you prefer Collins? NoRethugFriends Yesterday #82
I prefer not becoming them to beat them & I fear more will come out and Collins will walk to victory krawhitham 3 hrs ago #100
What policies would they be running on? leftstreet Yesterday #13
How come we keep screwing ourselves? MineralMan Yesterday #19
We could get Fettered, for sure, but our priority right now is to capture the senate majority. CrispyQ Yesterday #30
If the GOPer renounced it, covered it up, and ran of eviscerating billionaires mr715 Yesterday #31
Dumb question. CivicGrief Yesterday #32
Bizarro question. mr715 Yesterday #33
VERY. BannonsLiver Yesterday #56
BS on the Nazi tat. 90% of heavy metal acts used skull images blm Yesterday #35
lol... WarGamer Yesterday #39
You laugh, but 2 drunk 20 year old marines ... Dave says Yesterday #83
Thank you! For me, it's the Nazi tattoo thing that I can't get over... and here's why. QueerDuck Yesterday #36
There is also the dumb explanation. mr715 Yesterday #66
Yeah, I agree, it one thing to get it drunk, it's another to lie about knowing what it is 20 years later EX500rider Yesterday #68
I didn't know what a Totenkoff was, nor what it looked like either.... electric_blue68 Yesterday #78
I didn't either and I watched hogan's heroes as a kid questionseverything Yesterday #88
I watched some of that, but never looked closely at the hat. electric_blue68 Yesterday #89
Me either and no adults said anything about the insignia questionseverything Yesterday #90
Mine either. electric_blue68 Yesterday #91
THANK YOU!!! niyad 21 hrs ago #98
My hypocrisy only goes so far Boo1 Yesterday #37
I don't live in Maine so I can't vote one way or the other. Ocelot II Yesterday #38
Of course not. And, as a lifelong Democrat, I wouldn't support Jesus Christ if he was running as a Republican. sop Yesterday #40
Of course not maxrandb Yesterday #41
We all know about the tattoo, the offensive texts, the complaints of old girl friends. So who is lying or covering up? Scrivener7 Yesterday #42
"i hope he wins" BannonsLiver Yesterday #43
Right? Can't make this shit up. Scrivener7 Yesterday #44
I'm sure this thread seemed like a good idea when it was started. BannonsLiver Yesterday #53
So did taking Kyiv mr715 Yesterday #55
. . . Sympthsical Yesterday #64
Which is, in itself, concerning. Scrivener7 Yesterday #71
Reminds me of the massive amount of Al Franken threads Kingofalldems Yesterday #84
Or if it was a woman or Black man mcar Yesterday #51
But it isn't. mr715 Yesterday #60
Then they would be labeled "establishment" and a fictional sins and revisionist history worldview thrown at them. betsuni Yesterday #85
This is true. mcar Yesterday #92
In a perfect world csusan Yesterday #61
In my 50+ years Cosmocat Yesterday #62
If it wasn't a Nazi tattoo MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #65
Maybe because it's his skin, and he felt like it. Emile Yesterday #70
Speaking of looks, he doesn't look as hungover as he's Nixie 51 min ago #104
It's not even intellectual twister. It's just declaring him better EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #69
Except maybe the OP, who says in his post that he supports Platner's election. Scrivener7 Yesterday #74
LOL mr715 Yesterday #77
That's not an answer to the question I asked EdmondDantes_ 20 hrs ago #99
Just curious - which girlfriend was he abusive to in 2021? I'm probably getting very confused by much of it - but Nanjeanne Yesterday #86
Thank you. intheflow 23 hrs ago #93
Would I be defending a Republican? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #87
Here's an interesting tattoo orangecrush 22 hrs ago #95
Say--any comments on Trump's tantrum today? Kingofalldems 1 hr ago #103
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