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-misanthroptimist

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45. Look, until this nonsense...

Sat Jun 6, 2026, 04:23 PM

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...I had no idea what a "Totkopf" was. I'm willing to wager a large amount of money that that was the case for a huge majority of Americans.

The swastika is recognized universally as a symbol for Nazis.

Really, just stop.

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Why is so much effort being spent defending a Nazi symbol? [View all] sarisataka Saturday OP

It's either that or Collin's Trump stamp lame54 Saturday #1

So if I am understanding sarisataka Saturday #8

Kicking Collins to the curb is acceptable... lame54 Saturday #14

I have no disagreement with that sarisataka Saturday #16

I don't think the symbol is being defended Figarosmom Saturday #49

There are several posts below sarisataka Saturday #53

Who is defending a Nazi symbol, other than the far right? idahoblue Saturday #77

Read the replies sarisataka Saturday #79

So what conclusion is to be drawn about these so-called defenders CivicGrief 12 hrs ago #186

Finally, perhaps some reflection sarisataka 11 hrs ago #192

I just don't see the responses as going down the path of revisionist history. CivicGrief 11 hrs ago #193

Understandable sarisataka 11 hrs ago #197

Learning moments are good for the nation's soul. CivicGrief 10 hrs ago #198

I don't think it's being defended... buzzycrumbhunger Saturday #128

It is being defended sarisataka Saturday #131

They can still go with Janet Mills. LisaL Saturday #26

Although still on the ballot... lame54 Saturday #27

She is on the ballot and people can vote for her if they wish. LisaL Saturday #32

Maine does have Ranked Choice Voting TVguyCards Saturday #62

Welcome to DU! KS Toronado Saturday #81

Thank you :) TVguyCards Saturday #85

Janet Mills polls behind susan collins. Graham polls ahead. BComplex Saturday #88

Kind of meaningless to consider polling LisaL Saturday #134

Mills has no chance whatsoever ExtraGriz 14 hrs ago #177

They were stolen symbols and no shouldn't Blue Full Moon 15 hrs ago #175

This symbol? sarisataka 11 hrs ago #195

No, you're making a big deal of it oldmanlynn 13 hrs ago #182

I specifically did not make that connection sarisataka 11 hrs ago #196

You don't have to sell your soul iemanja Saturday #96

Mills and Costello are still on the ballot obamanut2012 Saturday #122

But why is Platner our only choice against Collins? yardwork 14 hrs ago #176

Did he really vote for Trump three times? iemanja 5 hrs ago #207

I read that he did but just checked and he said he did not. yardwork 3 hrs ago #210

Yeah, after I saw your post, I checked. iemanja 1 hr ago #211

If we want to a purity test have Pete Hegseth take off his shirt Ritabert Saturday #2

Would anyone here defend Hegseth? LisaL Saturday #3

Just saying that the GOP has one standard for themselves and one for us. Ritabert Saturday #37

Here no. But Republicans and Faux News would. Ritabert Saturday #41

My bad opinion of Hegseth Mossfern Saturday #150

For real Jilly_in_VA Saturday #151

Is anyone defending his tattos sarisataka Saturday #10

Or that he got them when he was drunk? LisaL Saturday #11

As I tried pointing out- it is NOT (!!!) about any tattoo sarisataka Saturday #17

Yes ABC123Easy Saturday #20

I am agreeing with your points. LisaL Saturday #23

I didn't mean to seem in opposition sarisataka Saturday #28

Of course people here would not defend Hegesth if he got the exact same tattoo when drunk. LisaL Saturday #30

I haven't seen one post claiming it is not a Nazi symbol. nt LAS14 Saturday #64

Hegseth is a Republican. Republicans do not have to defend their behavior. JustABozoOnThisBus Saturday #31

So the argument is, if you can't beat them, join them? LisaL Saturday #33

Only if the split in the Senate is close. JustABozoOnThisBus Saturday #35

I get the sentiment Mz Pip Saturday #48

The point being: when did he get the tattoo? Ritabert Saturday #42

Too late. He's already been called a Nazi on DU. AloeVera Saturday #91

I don't think anyone's called him a Nazi and I don't think he is EX500rider Saturday #116

... and so we advocate withholding support Mossfern Saturday #121

I didn't advocate anything I just think he has a lot of red flags in my opinion EX500rider Saturday #126

What does bringing up "red flags" mean then? Mossfern Saturday #127

And Collins doesn't????? That's the choice. marble falls Saturday #160

It's means I wish Maine had found someone with less baggage to run. EX500rider Saturday #167

The point is winning against actual fascists. Envirogal Saturday #108

The fact that Franken defenders still diminish what he did is wrong EdmondDantes_ Saturday #68

I read the article and remember it well. Envirogal 8 hrs ago #199

Well, hello again. n/t rzemanfl 7 hrs ago #201

They are the party of white supremacy iemanja Saturday #98

You really want Collins... lame54 13 hrs ago #185

I do NOT want Collins iemanja 5 hrs ago #206

Simple -misanthroptimist Saturday #4

The same can be said for the swastika sarisataka Saturday #12

No it wouldn't be the same... -misanthroptimist Saturday #39

What is the difference? sarisataka Saturday #43

Look, until this nonsense... -misanthroptimist Saturday #45

I recognized it immediately sarisataka Saturday #51

You can say anything you want -misanthroptimist Saturday #58

Incorrect sarisataka Saturday #60

If you are not making that assertion... -misanthroptimist Saturday #66

Stop opposing Nazism and historical revisionism? sarisataka Saturday #69

Very clearly illogical -misanthroptimist Saturday #73

The question was never about the tattoo sarisataka Saturday #76

Then, as I said, the tattoo is irrelevant. -misanthroptimist Saturday #87

Let me phrase this clearly- since it doesn't matter if I type slowly sarisataka Saturday #92

Stop dodging -misanthroptimist Saturday #104

You refuse to accept what I have stated sarisataka Saturday #109

Nonsense -misanthroptimist Saturday #137

I never heard of a totenkopf until this story, either. Americanme Saturday #140

Couldn't agree more -misanthroptimist Saturday #141

Let me try explaining it. WarGamer 7 hrs ago #202

But the death head skull is NOT as universally known as a nazi hate symbol, like the swastika. Americanme 6 hrs ago #203

Do you believe he knew that? Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #205

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money that the tattoo shop catalog where he bought it Jack Valentino Saturday #165

I would bet you are correct sarisataka Saturday #169

Speak and so it shall be so. Behind the Aegis Saturday #47

Because Fox News wants control of the senate. Initech Saturday #5

Care to share examples of the behavior in question? RockRaven Saturday #6

Post number 4 is one example sarisataka Saturday #13

Why is so little effort being spent promoting other D candidates in the upcoming primary? RandomNumbers Saturday #7

Why did Sanders endorse Fetterman? LisaL Saturday #9

True, but what about Warren? RandomNumbers Saturday #15

We actually had a very good democratic alternative to Fetterman in a primary. LisaL Saturday #21

Because Nazis killed Jews Danmel Saturday #18

They might for Platner MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #24

That would be interesting to see what would happen sarisataka Saturday #34

Poor Sarisataka ABC123Easy Saturday #19

I saw that but sarisataka Saturday #22

Good for you! ABC123Easy Saturday #25

I showed this thread to my children sarisataka Saturday #149

Weaponized ignorance -- excellent term. betsuni Saturday #168

It was an opinion piece not an article, an article implies facts questionseverything Saturday #29

Really? As one of the less hostile repliers from yesterday..... ABC123Easy Saturday #36

I saw so many swatikas in India, they must all be Nazi's too Shellback Squid Saturday #38

Does that make swastikas acceptable everywhere sarisataka Saturday #44

yes, like an ankh, I have friend who has a devil tat on his shoulder, does that make him a devil worshiper? Shellback Squid 1 hr ago #212

the German SS was only one of many meanings... mike_c Saturday #40

Will you say the same of other Nazi symbols sarisataka Saturday #46

As an art student, I saw many designs through history that included the swastika. calimary Saturday #118

K&R WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #50

I think we need to look at intent Bluestocking Saturday #52

The skull and crossed femurs has a long history TexLaProgressive Saturday #54

No one is trying to 'rehabilitate' the Nazis RetiredParatrooper Saturday #55

Who is that guy? nt LAS14 Saturday #70

Since the photo of von Mackensen sarisataka Saturday #75

The rules of DU require that we support Platner if he's the nominee Kaleva Saturday #56

And at no point have I stated sarisataka Saturday #67

I haven't paid much attention to the debate about the tattoo Kaleva Saturday #161

Fair enough sarisataka Saturday #163

Same to you! Kaleva Saturday #164

At this moment, he is the PRESUMPTIVE nominee. Their primary niyad Saturday #155

True Kaleva Saturday #162

One needs only to look at other political figures to answer that. RandySF Saturday #57

No one is defending the symbol, including platner. pat_k Saturday #59

Post above your show that statement is false sarisataka Saturday #63

I see no one defending the symbol. pat_k Saturday #97

And I was never asking about any man sarisataka Saturday #103

I see no posts that say that. You have to give me verbatim quotes (in context) that you read that way. pat_k Saturday #114

Post 4 sarisataka Saturday #117

Who's defending it? Nt LAS14 Saturday #61

Have you read the replies sarisataka Saturday #65

I searched for it and found it in #4, which you referenced... LAS14 Saturday #72

There are many others in this thread sarisataka Saturday #78

I have never denied or diminished the connection. I have simply wondered... LAS14 Saturday #119

I haven't said you have denied its meaning. sarisataka Saturday #132

OK. nt LAS14 Saturday #152

Just sayin'... buzzycrumbhunger Saturday #133

Think about this. CivicGrief Saturday #71

That was not my question, as I clearly stated sarisataka Saturday #80

The question is not in a vacuum. It is in relation to Platner. CivicGrief Saturday #82

Never said that, never implied that sarisataka Saturday #86

Platner was a sexist choice Pris Saturday #113

The symbol or offensive tattoo can be fairly easily removed Grim Chieftain Saturday #74

Yes, exactly. WestMichRad Saturday #110

Yeah, it's gotten cringingly weird now Sympthsical Saturday #83

Come on folks TVguyCards Saturday #84

You get it /nt sarisataka Saturday #89

Enough! MineralMan Saturday #90

The tattoo behind all of this orangecrush Saturday #94

I will not stop opposing or rehabilitating Nazis, their legacy and symbols. sarisataka Saturday #95

Nobody has done that. MineralMan Saturday #99

They have, in this thread sarisataka Saturday #105

MM is right. AloeVera Saturday #153

I have not seen Platner called a Nazi but I have no reason to doubt it. I haven't followed every thread. sarisataka Saturday #156

Rec'd Mossfern Saturday #154

I'm more curious as to how someone can defend an ongoing genocide, and endless wars instead of a tattoo; which Uncle Joe Saturday #93

Which genocide sarisataka Saturday #101

Any genocide, but particularly ones that our government, and our tax dollars are supporting. n/t Uncle Joe Saturday #102

Are we allowed to condemn the perpetrators of all the genocides? CivicGrief Saturday #143

Probably not the ones defended here daily for nearly 2 years. AloeVera Saturday #157

Intellectual and moral integrity iemanja Saturday #100

+1 demmiblue Saturday #106

who is defending that symbol??? LymphocyteLover Saturday #107

Again- read the replies sarisataka Saturday #111

OK, but your OP mentioned it... so I wasn't sure what you were referring to LymphocyteLover 17 hrs ago #172

Bullshit. This was not a "Nazi symbol" per se Bluetus Saturday #112

The particular symbol sarisataka Saturday #115

Be honest. When did you learn about this symbol? Bluetus Saturday #135

6th grade sarisataka Saturday #139

The totenkopf tattoo is a NAZI symbol LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #123

Nice. So if I have a T-shirt that has an arrow pointing upward, you will call me a Nazi? Bluetus Saturday #138

I have yet to see anyone defend the symbol Buzz cook Saturday #120

Read the thread sarisataka Saturday #130

This tattoo really bothers me LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #124

Would a Democratically-controlled US Senate bother you, if Platner Jack Valentino Saturday #166

Isn't the tattoo still there, but covered up? lapucelle 13 hrs ago #180

I would like to see a Democrat defeat Collins but I do not believe that Platner is the right person LetMyPeopleVote 13 hrs ago #183

Well said. mcar 7 hrs ago #200

Post removed Post removed Saturday #125

Post removed Post removed Saturday #129

Before this I had now idea what a totenkopf was. Hassin Bin Sober Saturday #136

No. You absolutely did! CivicGrief 12 hrs ago #187

He had the tattoo covered many months ago. Collins is still voting to fund the GESTAPO struggle4progress Saturday #142

That there is the correct perspective -misanthroptimist Saturday #146

Why is so much effort being spent trying to destroy a Democrat on this forum? n/t luv2fly Saturday #144

I hesitate to guess -misanthroptimist Saturday #145

That would be against the SOP sarisataka Saturday #147

Graham Platner reminds me a lot of Adam Kokesh Polybius Saturday #148

Maybe its just an awkward tattoo just like Musk's hitler salute was a awkward gesture per the ADL? Eko Saturday #158

The only thing awkward about Musk's gesture sarisataka Saturday #170

I agree. Eko Saturday #171

Being offended is a choice. Intractable Saturday #159

Yeah, those six million Jews murdered under that symbol only chose to be offended iemanja 5 hrs ago #208

Being offended by Platner is a choice. Intractable 3 hrs ago #209

Chanting the magic slogan Medicare for All trumps The Curse of the Totenkopf. betsuni 17 hrs ago #173

No. They cede power by thinking they CivicGrief 13 hrs ago #179

I don't understand. betsuni 12 hrs ago #188

I'm talking about Democrats who think moving to the center (hence, centrist) right is the CivicGrief 12 hrs ago #189

It's not the tattoo, it's the attack from centrists against progressive candidates. Emile 17 hrs ago #174

What exactly makes Platner "progressive"? He's against an assault weapons ban, lapucelle 13 hrs ago #184

I love me a genuine progressive. You may even say CivicGrief 11 hrs ago #191

And his underwear?! MorbidButterflyTat 1 hr ago #213

"We are oft to blame in this... Torchlight 14 hrs ago #178

More circular firing, squad stuff right here oldmanlynn 13 hrs ago #181

I have read and reread this very long thread before responding. cksmithy 11 hrs ago #190

I appreciate your attention and thoughtful reply sarisataka 11 hrs ago #194

Platner rso 5 hrs ago #204