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In reply to the discussion: Why is so much effort being spent defending a Nazi symbol? [View all]sarisataka
(22,937 posts)101. Which genocide
Following is a list of the current genocides, their location, the approximate year they began, and the death toll estimates.
-Tibet, 1953-present: 400,000-1.2 million+ Tibetans killed under the occupation of the Peoples Republic of China.
It was the Peoples Liberation Army of China which invaded in the 1950s and began the killings, deportations, cultural and religious suppression, and military occupation. The Chinese communist government has committed many acts of genocide, intentional famine, and ethnic cleansing over the last eight decades. Do not be fooled by their militarys name, the Peoples Liberation Army, they are a communist country and use the military and the state to commit genocides and massacres.
-Sri Lanka, 1956-present: 154,000-253,818+ Tamils killed. The UN and US have been called complicit in this genocide, which had particularly violent years during their civil war which began in 1983.
-North Korean prison camps, 1959-present: Unknown thousands, perhaps millions, have passed through the vast network of prison and reeducation camps, with an unknown number of deaths.
Conditions are so deplorable that an estimated 40% of prisoners die of malnutrition/starvation, and unknown thousands die at the hands of the guards. As of 2019, an estimated 80,000-200,000 prisoners were imprisoned in the camp network.
-Papua New Guinea, 1962-present: 100,000-500,000 killed.
-Colombia, 1964-present: 220,000-800,000 killed and at least 7 million displaced.
-Hmong people in Southeast Asia, 1975-present: 100,000-300,000 Hmong and other minorities killed.
-Tigray, Ethiopia, 1990-present: 2-6 million people are missing and over 2 million are displaced.
A discrepancy of 4 million people is quite large, one might question the validity of estimates like this. There are many things preventing accurate death tolls and missing tolls, but most importantly is that the crisis is not over so proper investigations cannot be completed so information is often reported by the citizens. Most often, the people committing the genocide will underestimate the deaths or disappearances, and sometimes those suffering will inflate the numbers. Sometimes people have no birth records, often there are no death records, some people could escape and disappear themselves, and many are likely dead but there is no evidence, so they become part of the missing statistic.
-Afghanistan, 1996-present: An unknown amount of ethnic minorities, especially the Hazara people, killed in dozens of massacres, including the Mazar-i-Sharif massacre, when 2,000-20,000 people were killed.
In rural and impoverished areas such as in Afghanistan, people often cannot get birth certificates for their babies, thus making it harder to determine an accurate census and death toll for massacres. A study done in 2017 found that only 42% of Afghan children over age five had a birth certificate, and prior to the 21st century most adults would not have had one. Therefore, when the Taliban or ISIS/ISIL massacres a secluded village, killing undocumented people, and burning the evidence, those people did not have a birth record or a death record, and nobody was able to investigate. Victims are killed and buried in mass graves, drowned, or buried in wells, and these crimes are not often investigated by outside agencies.
-Democratic Republic of the Congo, early 2000s-present, an unknown number of deaths (they are not often counted) due to artisanal mining in slave-like conditions, and over 5.5 million people are displaced.
Some do not consider the crisis to be a genocide because it is forced labor, child labor, and human trafficking. And the history of slavery, generally, is not often thought of as a genocide, but slavery is in fact genocide. What is happening to the Congolese is a genocide if one only considers part of the definition from Article II of the Convention, Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, and, Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, regardless of mass killings or not.
-Darfur, Sudan, 2003-present: 98,000-500,000 killed and at least 10.7 million people are displaced.
-Libya, 2011-present: 15,000-30,000 killed in 2011 alone, hundreds more are killed each year, however there is strong media censorship in Libya.
-Mali, 2012-present; 10,800+ killed and over 5 million displaced.
-Syria, 2013-present; 116,000+ killed and over 11 million displaced.
--Yemen, 2014-present; 233,000+ killed and 4.5 million displaced.
-China, 2014-present; at least 2 million ethnic minorities (primarily the Uyghur ethnic group) have been detained in re-education camps with an unknown death toll.
-Burkina Faso, 2016-present; 1,850+ killed and at least 1 million displaced.
-Cameroon, 2016-present; 6,000+ killed and 600,000+ displaced.
-Myanmar, 2016-present; 25,000-43,000+ killed and over 1 million displaced.
-Ukraine, 2022-present; 10,000+ killed, over 12 million displaced, and between 900,000 and 1.6 million people forcibly deported to Russia, including unaccompanied abducted children.
The Former Soviet Union has a long history of forcibly displacing and relocating civilians, and those who support the Soviet brand of communism will deny this as well as the current genocide of Ukrainians. Forced deportations and removing children from families is part of the definition of genocide, as well.
-Gaza (occupied Palestine), 2023-present; 41,788+ killed, 21,000+ missing, and 2 million displaced.
Estimates of deaths rise up to 180,000+ based on historical data of genocides and a lack of data from the Gaza health ministry which collapsed a few months into the genocide.
Note: All of these death tolls are as of September 2024.
https://truthlytics.com/20-ongoing-genocides-you-should-know-about/
All of them are worthy of OPs
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Of course people here would not defend Hegesth if he got the exact same tattoo when drunk.
LisaL
17 hrs ago
#30
Hegseth is a Republican. Republicans do not have to defend their behavior.
JustABozoOnThisBus
17 hrs ago
#31
I didn't advocate anything I just think he has a lot of red flags in my opinion
EX500rider
15 hrs ago
#126
I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money that the tattoo shop catalog where he bought it
Jack Valentino
11 hrs ago
#165
Why is so little effort being spent promoting other D candidates in the upcoming primary?
RandomNumbers
18 hrs ago
#7
As an art student, I saw many designs through history that included the swastika.
calimary
15 hrs ago
#118
I see no posts that say that. You have to give me verbatim quotes (in context) that you read that way.
pat_k
16 hrs ago
#114
I will not stop opposing or rehabilitating Nazis, their legacy and symbols.
sarisataka
16 hrs ago
#95
I have not seen Platner called a Nazi but I have no reason to doubt it. I haven't followed every thread.
sarisataka
13 hrs ago
#156
I'm more curious as to how someone can defend an ongoing genocide, and endless wars instead of a tattoo; which
Uncle Joe
16 hrs ago
#93
Any genocide, but particularly ones that our government, and our tax dollars are supporting. n/t
Uncle Joe
16 hrs ago
#102
OK, but your OP mentioned it... so I wasn't sure what you were referring to
LymphocyteLover
1 hr ago
#172
Nice. So if I have a T-shirt that has an arrow pointing upward, you will call me a Nazi?
Bluetus
14 hrs ago
#138
He had the tattoo covered many months ago. Collins is still voting to fund the GESTAPO
struggle4progress
14 hrs ago
#142
Why is so much effort being spent trying to destroy a Democrat on this forum? n/t
luv2fly
13 hrs ago
#144