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fujiyamasan

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113. Biden's ultimate legacy is being transitional

Reply to Midwestern Democrat (Reply #75)

Wed Jun 17, 2026, 09:53 AM

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But not in the way many democrats thought he would be. Instead he was a bridge between the two worst administrations this country has ever seen. That overwhelms his legacy in every way. There’s no getting past it.

Sadly, even if his post presidency approval improves, it’s very unlikely to be within his lifetime. Carter was understandably bitter after losing reelection, but he had decades to do other things. Of course, Biden too has a lifetime of public service and many accomplishments during that time, but for many it all ended on that debate stage.

This is why we’ll see a disconnect between how effective historians might place Biden (at least legislatively) and the general public might (including many democrats).

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