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wnylib

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67. I agree that it is about racism, but economics are also a factor.
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 01:33 PM
Jun 21

White working class Americans tended to be Democrats prior to the Civil Rights movement. In the North, it was due to economics, especially among immigrants and first generation American-born citizens. In the South, it was due to hatred of Republicans during Reconstruction and a determination to keep former enslaved people on the lowest social rungs, or outside of the social system completely through segregation out of defiance against the winners of the Civil War.

When Blacks began to achieve progress in Civil Rights legislation, most White Americans did not know the severity of poverty and lack of educational opportunities for most Black Americans. There were some educated and middle class Blacks, but proportionately not as many as middle class Whites.

Northern Whites looked at the nation from their own perspective. They were segregated by tradition rather than by law as in the South and knew very little about Black experiences from the perspective of Black people. I remember hearing middle and working class Whites saying things like, "My immigrant grandparents didn't demand special treatment. They came here with no money and worked hard to succeed." But, their White grandparents could assimilate, get work, and build on that. They lived in enclaves by choice to be with people of similar cultural backgrounds, not by social segregation. They had upward mobility even if it took a lot of hard work to move up, even if they were looked down on by WASPS if they were Irish or Italian. They also had elected representation in government because they had enclaves of people who voted for one of their own. They were ALLOWED to vote.

Also, it is not true that they made no demands on their own behalf. Immigrants formed unions, similar to guilds that once existed in Europe to look after them from dues they paid. They fought bitter struggles to establish unions, often getting beat up or killed by thugs hired by management. FDR pushed for legal recognition of the right to bargain. But early unions usually excluded Blacks in the North as well as in the South.

Whites knew that Blacks were excluded from most rights of citizenship, but did not take into account that White immigrants could change their names, learn English, and assimilate BECAUSE they looked like other Whites. Blacks could not do that unless they were very light and and could pass themselves off as Italian or southern French or Greek.

Laws, bank policy, real estate policy all worked against Blacks, in addition to no hire policies and no union representation. How do you pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you have no boots?

So working class Whites saw Blacks as a threat when Blacks began to succeed in Civil Rights legislation, voting rights. education, job training and promotions, desegregation of schools and housing. They viewed Blacks as getting help that they didn't get.

When JFK and LBJ successfully pushed legislation for racial equality, Southern Democrats deserted the Dem party, which LBJ predicted would happen. Outside of the South, White working class people said that the Dems had deserted them because of the emphasis that Dems placed on standing solidly with Civil Rights. It was the right thing for Dems to do. But for a few reasons, many White working class people who did not think of themselves as racist, felt that THEY were being unfairly treated. Sensitivity training and experience working with Blacks did help some Whites see beyond their own perspectives. They learned about the effects of suppressing Black people that social prejudices had created.

Those who could not see beyond themselves and their lives became Reagan Republicans and deserted the Dem party. They bought into the Republican spin that minorities and government supportiveness in achieving equality were unfair to Whites and were the cause of every and any problem that White Americans, especially those in the working class, experienced. They pushed stereotyped images that people who demanded equality were lazy and wanted things handed to them.

Working class Whites could feel social prestige by having select groups on a lower rung of society than themselves. They could also benefit financially by keeping "the other" down socially and economically.

They were so consumed by their social and racial views that they did not see what LBJ warned about, that the party who welcomed them was picking their pockets and lying to them.

Kick dalton99a Jun 21 #1
Thank you for posting this. It's the plain truth. n/t Mister Ed Jun 21 #2
The American Civil War NEVER ENDED. NoMoreRepugs Jun 21 #3
Had I been in power in 1865 lonely bird Jun 22 #115
I agree and I've been in Alabama for 60-plus years misanthrope Jun 22 #136
No it did not and it has been obvious misanthrope Jun 22 #135
May I suggest Jeremi Suri's lonely bird Jun 22 #145
Thanks misanthrope Jun 23 #151
Thanks as well lonely bird Jun 23 #155
Yup. Ocelot II Jun 21 #4
White Working Class includes a lot of others now--given the devastating economy-- so... hlthe2b Jun 21 #5
It's a long article, worth the read. yardwork Jun 21 #44
I agree that it is about racism, but economics are also a factor. wnylib Jun 21 #67
A lot of well said information electric_blue68 Jun 22 #140
Well, like other people my age, I lived through wnylib Jun 22 #143
Lots of interesting family background, and work situation issues! electric_blue68 Jun 22 #148
I am 76. You are the age of my younger sister. wnylib Jun 23 #150
If you were paying attention that 3 yrs difference stands out.. electric_blue68 Jun 23 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jun 23 #154
Ooo it was very late sbould have worded it "Since you were Probably paying attention the 3 yr difference was important electric_blue68 Jun 23 #156
I understood what was meant. No problem. wnylib Jun 23 #158
Wanted to make sure! electric_blue68 Jun 23 #159
Democrats did lose 30% of the young, male, black vote. questionseverything Jun 21 #70
In part because Democrats are now defending gay and trans people. Wednesdays Jun 21 #84
Empathy is looked down on wolfie001 Jun 22 #119
I venture to guess many/most DUers are "working class" and a lot are White. Are they all to be lumped in hlthe2b Jun 21 #88
In a sense, "access to power over other racial groups" is still viewed by lower class whites as an economic advantage. sop Jun 21 #6
+1 dalton99a Jun 21 #11
Great OP malaise Jun 21 #7
"I may get screwed over, but the Other, the 'They', they get screwed over even more." ck4829 Jun 21 #8
I'm white working class. I am not MAGA! I am not racist! Please stop stereotyping. Doodley Jun 21 #9
You're right. It would be more accurate to add the modifier "some" before "white working class." sop Jun 21 #13
I live in a "working class" neighborhood in metro Detroit. Kid Berwyn Jun 21 #22
+1 Auggie Jun 21 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Jun 21 #45
Geez. Nobody is stereotyping. yardwork Jun 21 #46
Not sure that "strong majority" of white working class still holds true. Not all white working class KPN Jun 21 #65
I don't know a single Trump voter who says they regret their vote. yardwork Jun 21 #77
I've never heard one say, "I think Trump is terrible, I regret voting for him, I think I'll vote 'D' next time." sop Jun 22 #116
We cannot discuss race without someone being offended Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #49
As a white person I just don't understand the defensiveness. yardwork Jun 21 #60
Race is an uncomfortable subject Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #64
A lot of Americans cling to our mythology. yardwork Jun 21 #73
It's classic bean souping... meadowlander Jun 22 #106
24% of black men voted for Trump. Why? It isn't as simple as black versus white. Yes, you need modifiers unless you Doodley Jun 22 #113
The problem with any discussion about race Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #123
I'm not being defensive. I can talk about race all day, but stop stereotyping--that's what racism is. Doodley Jun 22 #125
You're being defensive now Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #127
Sorry if you don't like my opinion that you shouldn't stereotype and that stereotyping is what racism is. Doodley Jun 22 #128
Once more for the folks in the audience Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #129
You are wrong in your assumptions about me. 11 people recommended my reply in which I objected to the stereotyping. Doodley Jun 22 #131
Okay Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #132
Let's have a truce and accept maybe we misunderstood each other. I apologize if my tone was aggressive. Doodley Jun 22 #134
We're all good Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #137
15% Dlpger61 Jun 22 #130
It is actually 21 percent according to Pew. Doodley Jun 22 #133
Absolute agreement. Literalism can be a popular pablum allowing Torchlight Jun 22 #124
I'm white working-class male and I Dr. T Jun 21 #51
Good for you Cirsium Jun 21 #76
What are you talking about? Doodley Jun 22 #114
This Cirsium Jun 22 #139
What are you talking about here: Doodley Jun 22 #147
No Cirsium Jun 23 #149
It's twelve people now. Let me understand. Are you saying you are "disappointed" with them? And their Doodley Jun 23 #153
Not sure Cirsium Jun 23 #157
No response? Cirsium Jun 24 #160
Spot on ABC123Easy Jun 21 #10
Bill Clinton had a chance to change this when he was in the White House FakeNoose Jun 21 #12
I can remember a picture of Clinton & Gore with a credit-card type card that would be your access card to Universal NBachers Jun 21 #27
Yeah, Clinton's eight years of peace and prosperity comradebillyboy Jun 21 #38
If not President Clinton MorbidButterflyTat Jun 21 #78
That's not what I implied, but thanks for sharing your thoughts FakeNoose Jun 21 #87
The majority of white people have voted republican since LBJ Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #39
They started leaving way before Bill Clinion DFW Jun 21 #40
LBJ knew he was going to lose the southern racists by signing the Civil Rights Act FakeNoose Jun 21 #89
Read the essay linked in the OP. yardwork Jun 21 #47
No. White working class left in post-civil rights era after the two parties diverged on race, cultural changes. betsuni Jun 21 #55
Fox News and hate radio push a steady diet of anti-Black, anti-immigrant messaging. yardwork Jun 21 #58
At the gym yesterday .. justsomeguy01 Jun 21 #62
From the Right: "liberals hate white people," other direction: "Dem establishment ignores white working class betsuni Jun 21 #66
...to his credit.. thomski64 Jun 22 #117
Not true Cirsium Jun 21 #75
I would hate to see anyone here take what the author said personally. ShazzieB Jun 22 #109
How do you "install" universal healthcare? LisaM Jun 21 #103
Myth there are simple solutions for everything but corrupt establishment stops it. betsuni Jun 22 #107
Clinton wasn't the only thing happening when white working class started leaving MadameButterfly Jun 22 #112
While often true, it's not a universal, absolute truth Fiendish Thingy Jun 21 #14
But will they continue to vote for the party of progress Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #68
The paradigm has shifted Fiendish Thingy Jun 21 #86
I wish I could share your enthusiasm Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #91
The evidence indicates the billionaires are losing Fiendish Thingy Jun 21 #98
They will control the House for a generation. mr715 Jun 21 #94
I think it is important to note that West Virginia mr715 Jun 21 #92
But why Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #93
White, working class voters. mr715 Jun 21 #95
West Virginia is one of the most beautiful states Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #97
Republicans told people Democratic environmental regulations would take all their jobs. betsuni Jun 22 #108
"centrist, neoliberalism and triangulation, deregulation of energy" -- for example? Blame Democrats! betsuni Jun 22 #110
That's true. Janbdwl72 Jun 22 #105
And Carter in 1980 mr715 Jun 22 #126
Worth reading, and here's the money shot... TygrBright Jun 21 #15
+1 leftstreet Jun 22 #122
When I hear him say make Americkkka great again it's really make racism great again! kimbutgar Jun 21 #16
great read. mopinko Jun 21 #17
I worked in Greenville MS back in 1989 when Boeing had a plant there KS Toronado Jun 21 #18
There is in group discussion Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #59
Really wish more on DU would understand this reality. rogue emissary Jun 21 #19
It's a shallow combination of ownership within class identity and fear of unknown competition haele Jun 21 #50
Yes, artificial and unnecessary division based on falsehood that Democrats "ignore the working class." betsuni Jun 21 #71
And these beliefs and preferences are very difficult to counter, even with the "right messaging" Redleg Jun 21 #20
The story of the white sharecropper poisoning his black sharecropper neighbor's mule come to mind. Squaredeal Jun 21 #21
Jeezus. Humans need a reboot. Joinfortmill Jun 21 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author MerryBlooms Jun 21 #102
Republicans understand this. SamuelAdams Jun 21 #23
dumb, dumber, dumbest Joinfortmill Jun 21 #24
I think they need somebody to look down on. zanana1 Jun 21 #26
I wonder if there's not some of that going on with "us" TheProle Jun 21 #57
Well, we look down on MAGA. zanana1 Jun 22 #118
MAGA is simply shorthand for anyone who slavishly supports and follows Trump. sop Jun 22 #120
Sounds like the older part of my family....MAGATs all BeneteauBum Jun 21 #28
This is a "duh" headline..white working class vote their hate for "the other"... agingdem Jun 21 #29
Not really "duh" since we aren't used to seeing this from the media, at least in the U.S. Redleg Jun 21 #30
The Guardian is British paper...our papers/MSM are so terrified of MAGA agingdem Jun 21 #35
... Solly Mack Jun 21 #31
Worked in an auto plant just West of Detroit. multigraincracker Jun 21 #33
We need to go back to colorblind (if we still can) gulliver Jun 21 #34
But the US was almost never "colorblind". electric_blue68 Jun 22 #141
The "colorblind ethic" was solid and working... gulliver Jun 22 #144
No, it wasn't solid and it wasn't working Quiet Em Jun 22 #146
Yes, this is central to understanding the American project and why it has failed. nt Blasphemer Jun 21 #36
"Mississippi Burning" duckworth969 Jun 21 #37
A great movie- I doubt it would be made today, given the kow-towing to Trump Redleg Jun 21 #43
It's because of racism we can't have the nice things that folks have in other rich countries. Fil1957 Jun 21 #41
And yet...guys like Graham Platner, Zohran Mamdani, Abdul El Sayed biocube Jun 21 #42
Post removed Post removed Jun 21 #48
And what about brown men with "foreign-sounding names" like Mamdani and El Sayed? biocube Jun 21 #54
American Arabs are white adjacent in the minds of many. yardwork Jun 21 #56
That's just great. MorbidButterflyTat Jun 21 #82
What rhetoric is Platner using that signals he is a racist? I find your attack on him to be problematic at best. He is Celerity Jun 21 #90
What is the point? Cirsium Jun 21 #79
And yet...Andrew Cuomo won white voters in NYC SocialDemocrat61 Jun 22 #121
Ive pushed back on this for decades Cosmocat Jun 21 #52
I've said drumphf "gave permission" for rhe racists to come out from under their rocksr electric_blue68 Jun 22 #142
yes, like Black people have known since forever yobrault1 Jun 21 #53
While I agree to a point, but it's waaay more complicated than that. paleotn Jun 21 #61
We enable that to happen, by ... Bluetus Jun 21 #63
Noooooo! We Just Need To UNDERSTAND THEM! TALK With Them! Really.....! ColoringFool Jun 21 #69
I live in Pennsylvania and I know plenty of people like that. Alice B. Jun 21 #72
I grew up in rural Ohio and I hear it often from people I grew up with. yardwork Jun 21 #74
People start framing things like, the "Obama Library" MorbidButterflyTat Jun 21 #83
Which is why we will never see a black Republican presidential nominee in our lifetimes. Wednesdays Jun 21 #80
Saida Grundy nails it Cirsium Jun 21 #81
The ruling class uses racism orthoclad Jun 21 #85
All American racists love Trump and would never vote for anyone else. Martin68 Jun 21 #96
Wish i could JustAnotherGen Jun 21 #99
Some eyes are being opened here Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #104
Yes, has The Guardian stamp of progressive approval, no shooting the messenger. All data says same thing. betsuni Jun 22 #111
We have made progress in the face of racist forces manipulated by corrupt wealth. We will again. pat_k Jun 21 #100
Keeping it sinple and visual. usonian Jun 21 #101
The same white working class that put Biden over the top in 2020? TheProle Jun 22 #138
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