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Keepthesoulalive

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91. I wish I could share your enthusiasm

Sun Jun 21, 2026, 03:31 PM

Jun 21

But I am an old lady and I have never seen such effective propaganda, so many people are brainwashed it’s like all the fifties horror movies have come to life. We don’t know all the players but the billionaires are behind it and their reach is worldwide.

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The Guardian nails it: White working class votes for white supremacists. Period. [View all] AverageOldGuy Jun 21 OP

Kick dalton99a Jun 21 #1

Thank you for posting this. It's the plain truth. n/t Mister Ed Jun 21 #2

The American Civil War NEVER ENDED. NoMoreRepugs Jun 21 #3

Had I been in power in 1865 lonely bird Jun 22 #115

I agree and I've been in Alabama for 60-plus years misanthrope Jun 22 #136

No it did not and it has been obvious misanthrope Jun 22 #135

May I suggest Jeremi Suri's lonely bird Jun 22 #145

Thanks misanthrope Tuesday #151

Thanks as well lonely bird Tuesday #155

Yup. Ocelot II Jun 21 #4

White Working Class includes a lot of others now--given the devastating economy-- so... hlthe2b Jun 21 #5

It's a long article, worth the read. yardwork Jun 21 #44

I agree that it is about racism, but economics are also a factor. wnylib Jun 21 #67

A lot of well said information electric_blue68 Jun 22 #140

Well, like other people my age, I lived through wnylib Jun 22 #143

Lots of interesting family background, and work situation issues! electric_blue68 Jun 22 #148

I am 76. You are the age of my younger sister. wnylib Tuesday #150

If you were paying attention that 3 yrs difference stands out.. electric_blue68 Tuesday #152

This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Tuesday #154

Ooo it was very late sbould have worded it "Since you were Probably paying attention the 3 yr difference was important electric_blue68 Tuesday #156

I understood what was meant. No problem. wnylib Tuesday #158

Wanted to make sure! electric_blue68 Tuesday #159

Democrats did lose 30% of the young, male, black vote. questionseverything Jun 21 #70

In part because Democrats are now defending gay and trans people. Wednesdays Jun 21 #84

Empathy is looked down on wolfie001 Jun 22 #119

I venture to guess many/most DUers are "working class" and a lot are White. Are they all to be lumped in hlthe2b Jun 21 #88

In a sense, "access to power over other racial groups" is still viewed by lower class whites as an economic advantage. sop Jun 21 #6

+1 dalton99a Jun 21 #11

Great OP malaise Jun 21 #7

"I may get screwed over, but the Other, the 'They', they get screwed over even more." ck4829 Jun 21 #8

I'm white working class. I am not MAGA! I am not racist! Please stop stereotyping. Doodley Jun 21 #9

You're right. It would be more accurate to add the modifier "some" before "white working class." sop Jun 21 #13

I live in a "working class" neighborhood in metro Detroit. Kid Berwyn Jun 21 #22

+1 Auggie Jun 21 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Jun 21 #45

Geez. Nobody is stereotyping. yardwork Jun 21 #46

Not sure that "strong majority" of white working class still holds true. Not all white working class KPN Jun 21 #65

I don't know a single Trump voter who says they regret their vote. yardwork Jun 21 #77

I've never heard one say, "I think Trump is terrible, I regret voting for him, I think I'll vote 'D' next time." sop Jun 22 #116

We cannot discuss race without someone being offended Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #49

As a white person I just don't understand the defensiveness. yardwork Jun 21 #60

Race is an uncomfortable subject Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #64

A lot of Americans cling to our mythology. yardwork Jun 21 #73

It's classic bean souping... meadowlander Jun 22 #106

24% of black men voted for Trump. Why? It isn't as simple as black versus white. Yes, you need modifiers unless you Doodley Jun 22 #113

The problem with any discussion about race Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #123

I'm not being defensive. I can talk about race all day, but stop stereotyping--that's what racism is. Doodley Jun 22 #125

You're being defensive now Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #127

Sorry if you don't like my opinion that you shouldn't stereotype and that stereotyping is what racism is. Doodley Jun 22 #128

Once more for the folks in the audience Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #129

You are wrong in your assumptions about me. 11 people recommended my reply in which I objected to the stereotyping. Doodley Jun 22 #131

Okay Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #132

Let's have a truce and accept maybe we misunderstood each other. I apologize if my tone was aggressive. Doodley Jun 22 #134

We're all good Keepthesoulalive Jun 22 #137

15% Dlpger61 Jun 22 #130

It is actually 21 percent according to Pew. Doodley Jun 22 #133

Absolute agreement. Literalism can be a popular pablum allowing Torchlight Jun 22 #124

I'm white working-class male and I Dr. T Jun 21 #51

Good for you Cirsium Jun 21 #76

What are you talking about? Doodley Jun 22 #114

This Cirsium Jun 22 #139

What are you talking about here: Doodley Jun 22 #147

No Cirsium Tuesday #149

It's twelve people now. Let me understand. Are you saying you are "disappointed" with them? And their Doodley Tuesday #153

Not sure Cirsium Tuesday #157

No response? Cirsium Wednesday #160

Spot on ABC123Easy Jun 21 #10

Bill Clinton had a chance to change this when he was in the White House FakeNoose Jun 21 #12

I can remember a picture of Clinton & Gore with a credit-card type card that would be your access card to Universal NBachers Jun 21 #27

Yeah, Clinton's eight years of peace and prosperity comradebillyboy Jun 21 #38

If not President Clinton MorbidButterflyTat Jun 21 #78

That's not what I implied, but thanks for sharing your thoughts FakeNoose Jun 21 #87

The majority of white people have voted republican since LBJ Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #39

They started leaving way before Bill Clinion DFW Jun 21 #40

LBJ knew he was going to lose the southern racists by signing the Civil Rights Act FakeNoose Jun 21 #89

Read the essay linked in the OP. yardwork Jun 21 #47

No. White working class left in post-civil rights era after the two parties diverged on race, cultural changes. betsuni Jun 21 #55

Fox News and hate radio push a steady diet of anti-Black, anti-immigrant messaging. yardwork Jun 21 #58

At the gym yesterday .. justsomeguy01 Jun 21 #62

From the Right: "liberals hate white people," other direction: "Dem establishment ignores white working class betsuni Jun 21 #66

...to his credit.. thomski64 Jun 22 #117

Not true Cirsium Jun 21 #75

I would hate to see anyone here take what the author said personally. ShazzieB Jun 22 #109

How do you "install" universal healthcare? LisaM Jun 21 #103

Myth there are simple solutions for everything but corrupt establishment stops it. betsuni Jun 22 #107

Clinton wasn't the only thing happening when white working class started leaving MadameButterfly Jun 22 #112

While often true, it's not a universal, absolute truth Fiendish Thingy Jun 21 #14

But will they continue to vote for the party of progress Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #68

The paradigm has shifted Fiendish Thingy Jun 21 #86

I wish I could share your enthusiasm Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #91

The evidence indicates the billionaires are losing Fiendish Thingy Jun 21 #98

They will control the House for a generation. mr715 Jun 21 #94

I think it is important to note that West Virginia mr715 Jun 21 #92

But why Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #93

White, working class voters. mr715 Jun 21 #95

West Virginia is one of the most beautiful states Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #97

Republicans told people Democratic environmental regulations would take all their jobs. betsuni Jun 22 #108

"centrist, neoliberalism and triangulation, deregulation of energy" -- for example? Blame Democrats! betsuni Jun 22 #110

That's true. Janbdwl72 Jun 22 #105

And Carter in 1980 mr715 Jun 22 #126

Worth reading, and here's the money shot... TygrBright Jun 21 #15

+1 leftstreet Jun 22 #122

When I hear him say make Americkkka great again it's really make racism great again! kimbutgar Jun 21 #16

great read. mopinko Jun 21 #17

I worked in Greenville MS back in 1989 when Boeing had a plant there KS Toronado Jun 21 #18

There is in group discussion Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #59

Really wish more on DU would understand this reality. rogue emissary Jun 21 #19

It's a shallow combination of ownership within class identity and fear of unknown competition haele Jun 21 #50

Yes, artificial and unnecessary division based on falsehood that Democrats "ignore the working class." betsuni Jun 21 #71

And these beliefs and preferences are very difficult to counter, even with the "right messaging" Redleg Jun 21 #20

The story of the white sharecropper poisoning his black sharecropper neighbor's mule come to mind. Squaredeal Jun 21 #21

Jeezus. Humans need a reboot. Joinfortmill Jun 21 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author MerryBlooms Jun 21 #102

Republicans understand this. SamuelAdams Jun 21 #23

dumb, dumber, dumbest Joinfortmill Jun 21 #24

I think they need somebody to look down on. zanana1 Jun 21 #26

I wonder if there's not some of that going on with "us" TheProle Jun 21 #57

Well, we look down on MAGA. zanana1 Jun 22 #118

MAGA is simply shorthand for anyone who slavishly supports and follows Trump. sop Jun 22 #120

Sounds like the older part of my family....MAGATs all BeneteauBum Jun 21 #28

This is a "duh" headline..white working class vote their hate for "the other"... agingdem Jun 21 #29

Not really "duh" since we aren't used to seeing this from the media, at least in the U.S. Redleg Jun 21 #30

The Guardian is British paper...our papers/MSM are so terrified of MAGA agingdem Jun 21 #35

... Solly Mack Jun 21 #31

Worked in an auto plant just West of Detroit. multigraincracker Jun 21 #33

We need to go back to colorblind (if we still can) gulliver Jun 21 #34

But the US was almost never "colorblind". electric_blue68 Jun 22 #141

The "colorblind ethic" was solid and working... gulliver Jun 22 #144

No, it wasn't solid and it wasn't working Quiet Em Jun 22 #146

Yes, this is central to understanding the American project and why it has failed. nt Blasphemer Jun 21 #36

"Mississippi Burning" duckworth969 Jun 21 #37

A great movie- I doubt it would be made today, given the kow-towing to Trump Redleg Jun 21 #43

It's because of racism we can't have the nice things that folks have in other rich countries. Fil1957 Jun 21 #41

And yet...guys like Graham Platner, Zohran Mamdani, Abdul El Sayed biocube Jun 21 #42

Post removed Post removed Jun 21 #48

And what about brown men with "foreign-sounding names" like Mamdani and El Sayed? biocube Jun 21 #54

American Arabs are white adjacent in the minds of many. yardwork Jun 21 #56

That's just great. MorbidButterflyTat Jun 21 #82

What rhetoric is Platner using that signals he is a racist? I find your attack on him to be problematic at best. He is Celerity Jun 21 #90

What is the point? Cirsium Jun 21 #79

And yet...Andrew Cuomo won white voters in NYC SocialDemocrat61 Jun 22 #121

Ive pushed back on this for decades Cosmocat Jun 21 #52

I've said drumphf "gave permission" for rhe racists to come out from under their rocksr electric_blue68 Jun 22 #142

yes, like Black people have known since forever yobrault1 Jun 21 #53

While I agree to a point, but it's waaay more complicated than that. paleotn Jun 21 #61

We enable that to happen, by ... Bluetus Jun 21 #63

Noooooo! We Just Need To UNDERSTAND THEM! TALK With Them! Really.....! ColoringFool Jun 21 #69

I live in Pennsylvania and I know plenty of people like that. Alice B. Jun 21 #72

I grew up in rural Ohio and I hear it often from people I grew up with. yardwork Jun 21 #74

People start framing things like, the "Obama Library" MorbidButterflyTat Jun 21 #83

Which is why we will never see a black Republican presidential nominee in our lifetimes. Wednesdays Jun 21 #80

Saida Grundy nails it Cirsium Jun 21 #81

The ruling class uses racism orthoclad Jun 21 #85

All American racists love Trump and would never vote for anyone else. Martin68 Jun 21 #96

Wish i could JustAnotherGen Jun 21 #99

Some eyes are being opened here Keepthesoulalive Jun 21 #104

Yes, has The Guardian stamp of progressive approval, no shooting the messenger. All data says same thing. betsuni Jun 22 #111

We have made progress in the face of racist forces manipulated by corrupt wealth. We will again. pat_k Jun 21 #100

Keeping it sinple and visual. usonian Jun 21 #101

The same white working class that put Biden over the top in 2020? TheProle Jun 22 #138