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Stargleamer

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55. We're talking about people here, not "big cities"

Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:43 PM

16 hrs ago

do not their voices matter? the over 2 million people who voted for Hillary Clinton over Trump, don't their voices matter? You're saying to them, sorry the people's voices in Wyoming, Alabama, Alaska--their voices matter more. Which is basically unfair. What would you say to the 2 million more people who voted for Hillary Clinton over Trump, some of them who had to wait in long lines in urban areas, as opposed to rural voters whose polling places were much less crowded, "sorry you weren't a rural voter because I think rural voters votes should count more than urban ones"?

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Americans mostly back dumping the electoral college, i don't [View all] 31j20b3 19 hrs ago OP

Electoral College gave us Trump in 2016. hlthe2b 19 hrs ago #1

Totally disagree. House of Roberts 19 hrs ago #2

I'm ok with you disagreeing. Really 31j20b3 19 hrs ago #13

The House provides the local representation that you wnylib 17 hrs ago #48

In part, yes. But imagine 20 years of presidents with no appreciation 31j20b3 16 hrs ago #49

I disagree that the president will soon have the power to wnylib 16 hrs ago #57

I think you may be in a dangerous delusion,THIS IS WHAT TRUMP IS DOING NOW 31j20b3 15 hrs ago #63

I have no delusions or illusions about the state we are in. wnylib 15 hrs ago #67

Yep. bamagal62 16 hrs ago #52

Dirt doesn't vote Fiendish Thingy 19 hrs ago #3

Better said than my more verbose attempt Bettie 19 hrs ago #7

Rob Sand might well be your next governor DFW 16 hrs ago #51

I sure hope so Bettie 11 hrs ago #73

I share your assessment of him. DFW 11 hrs ago #74

This message was self-deleted by its author DinahMoeHum 4 hrs ago #77

Josh Turek may be your next US Senator DinahMoeHum 4 hrs ago #78

True. But people who choose how to run a Representative Democracy must consider 31j20b3 19 hrs ago #17

I don't see how any of this addresses the problems with the "tyranny of the minority" Stargleamer 16 hrs ago #50

Well the E. C. is hardly tyranny is it???? That seems like rather extreme hyperbole. 31j20b3 16 hrs ago #54

It can be if it brings about a tyranny. . . Stargleamer 15 hrs ago #61

Your argument really obscures the power that your visions of equal representation in the Senate and guarantee of 1 31j20b3 15 hrs ago #66

Yes, TYRANNY is EXACTLY what it is. Hillary Clinton WON the niyad 3 hrs ago #83

Dirt shouldn't vote Freddie 18 hrs ago #27

Exactly OnionPatch 3 hrs ago #81

Suspect you are new to the impact of elections on cachukis 19 hrs ago #4

You're suspicion is actually quite flawed as most sweeping assumptions are 31j20b3 19 hrs ago #18

Just relying on your attitude about the electoral college cachukis 19 hrs ago #19

Yes as in a sweeping over generalization 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #22

Regardless. The electoral college was set up, ultimately, cachukis 18 hrs ago #31

Actually one vote means one vote. All votes equal. All politicians campaigning must reach all voters. Nanjeanne 19 hrs ago #5

If slavery was the only idea behind the electoral college... but today it ISN'T 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #25

I outlined the 3 reasons. None are valid now IMHO. Rural voters would still need to be wooed. No Nanjeanne 18 hrs ago #33

Nting sweeping assumptions here: "Rural life s built around harvesting and extracting resources," c-rational 18 hrs ago #40

"Rural life is built around harvesting and extracting resources" . . . seriously? markpkessinger 1 hr ago #92

Despite the majority of Americans who would like to change the electoral college, it will likely walkingman 19 hrs ago #6

One citizen, one vote. Johonny 19 hrs ago #8

Maybe. maybe not. 31j20b3 19 hrs ago #20

Is this a sweeping assumption? CivicGrief 18 hrs ago #23

Mighty big assumption on your part. Phoenix61 18 hrs ago #24

I also totally disagree. Eliminating the electoral college means EVERY VOTE COUNTS. Now, only votes in a few swing Fil1957 19 hrs ago #9

"If the college were eliminated, candidates would visit many more states to get every vote they can." MichMan 19 hrs ago #21

It's really not about candidates visiting, it's about what enters the national conversation 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #26

Yes they would, absolutely. It's true they wouldn't visit Montana or the Dakotas, but there are many states that are Fil1957 15 hrs ago #64

The republican college lame54 19 hrs ago #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #11

Since the change would require a MineralMan 19 hrs ago #12

True, but practical imposition isn't my consideration 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #29

Then your subject is irrelevant. MineralMan 18 hrs ago #32

It's a shame you think the national economy made up of all its parts is irrelevant 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #36

But i don't think that. MineralMan 18 hrs ago #38

I support The 'National Popular Vote Interstate Compact' LetMyPeopleVote 1 hr ago #89

The state of Virginia is the latest state to join the National Popular Vote Compact LetMyPeopleVote 1 hr ago #90

Would force candidates to campaign all over the country instead of concentrating on swing state YorkRd 19 hrs ago #14

UNfortunately that deflects things into the party competitions and thats a mistake 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #34

I don't think rural America has anything to worry about. BannonsLiver 19 hrs ago #15

Also, rural areas tend to be dominated by a few wealthy white people. yardwork 18 hrs ago #45

Each state has two Senators.... SergeStorms 19 hrs ago #16

And each state must have at least one Congress person. 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #37

There's a compromise position. biocube 18 hrs ago #28

Where do you find that information? MineralMan 18 hrs ago #30

Rural America is grossly over represented in the Senate Bristlecone 18 hrs ago #35

Idaho has the same power as the probably the 4th largest economy in the world. CA. Laughable. kairos12 15 hrs ago #60

the Electoral College served a purpose way back Skittles 18 hrs ago #39

"...get the fuck rid of it" 3catwoman3 15 hrs ago #62

One Flaw In Your Logic... ProfessorGAC 18 hrs ago #41

It doesn't matter what any of us think about the Electoral College. yardwork 18 hrs ago #42

Land doesn't vote, people do obamanut2012 18 hrs ago #43

Yes saw that above, you can read my response from above. 31j20b3 18 hrs ago #44

If its a country by the people, for the people, then the majority of the people are who's in charge sboatcar 17 hrs ago #46

No that can't really be allowed to stand. Places with small populations must be protected 31j20b3 16 hrs ago #56

The electoral college was a compromise to protect slave states. sboatcar 2 hrs ago #85

I agree. OC375 17 hrs ago #47

We're talking about people here, not "big cities" Stargleamer 16 hrs ago #55

Yep OC375 15 hrs ago #65

I do. RandySF 16 hrs ago #53

Dumping the electoral college doesn't eliminate representative government DFW 16 hrs ago #58

I respectfully disagree. Congressional districts have an equal number of population. But each state gets 2 Senators. surfered 16 hrs ago #59

So, the Senate should be abolished? MichMan 14 hrs ago #68

No. We should go to a popular vote for President. It won't happen though without a Constitutional Amendment, which surfered 14 hrs ago #70

I'm not sure that can be done The Revolution 12 hrs ago #71

"Dumping the electoral college shifts democracy would great shift the influences of cities and metro-megalopoli"... GOOD FascismIsDeath 14 hrs ago #69

It won't happen in any case The Revolution 12 hrs ago #72

It should have been done away with 150 years ago. Emile 5 hrs ago #75

Citizens United is a bigger problem bucolic_frolic 5 hrs ago #76

Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who seem to think that some magic portal will open... OldBaldy1701E 4 hrs ago #79

White Supremacy / Apartheid is the main LuvLoogie 4 hrs ago #80

Trees don't vote. I'm sick of hearing about Middle America. I live in Middle America and always have lived rural. AZLD4Candidate 3 hrs ago #82

One of the problems with the electoral college... returnee 3 hrs ago #84

Bad Take, IMO. Happy Hoosier 2 hrs ago #86

I strongly disagree LetMyPeopleVote 1 hr ago #87

When the system rewards losing more votes, democracy starts to look like a coin toss rigged from the start. LetMyPeopleVote 1 hr ago #88

"shift the influences of cities and metro-megalopoli" - NO, it's shifts it more towards PEOPLE and not land themaguffin 1 hr ago #91

I support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact LetMyPeopleVote 1 hr ago #93

Just to correct the figures muriel_volestrangler 59 min ago #94