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muriel_volestrangler

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94. Just to correct the figures

Thu Jun 25, 2026, 11:04 AM

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"Something like 70% of Americans live in its 10 largest megalopoli" is way out. From the list of Combined Statistical Areas (eg largest is New York–Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA, with a population of 22.5 million), you have to include the top 75 to get to 242 million - about 70% of the 2025 population. That includes areas in Idaho, Iowa, Oklahoma and so on. The top 10 are about 32% of the US population.

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Americans mostly back dumping the electoral college, i don't [View all] 31j20b3 Jun 24 OP

Electoral College gave us Trump in 2016. hlthe2b Jun 24 #1

Totally disagree. House of Roberts Jun 24 #2

I'm ok with you disagreeing. Really 31j20b3 Jun 24 #13

The House provides the local representation that you wnylib Jun 24 #48

In part, yes. But imagine 20 years of presidents with no appreciation 31j20b3 Jun 24 #49

I disagree that the president will soon have the power to wnylib Jun 24 #57

I think you may be in a dangerous delusion,THIS IS WHAT TRUMP IS DOING NOW 31j20b3 Jun 24 #63

I have no delusions or illusions about the state we are in. wnylib Jun 24 #67

Yep. bamagal62 Jun 24 #52

Dirt doesn't vote Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #3

Better said than my more verbose attempt Bettie Jun 24 #7

Rob Sand might well be your next governor DFW Jun 24 #51

I sure hope so Bettie Thursday #73

I share your assessment of him. DFW Thursday #74

This message was self-deleted by its author DinahMoeHum Thursday #77

Josh Turek may be your next US Senator DinahMoeHum Thursday #78

True. But people who choose how to run a Representative Democracy must consider 31j20b3 Jun 24 #17

I don't see how any of this addresses the problems with the "tyranny of the minority" Stargleamer Jun 24 #50

Well the E. C. is hardly tyranny is it???? That seems like rather extreme hyperbole. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #54

It can be if it brings about a tyranny. . . Stargleamer Jun 24 #61

Your argument really obscures the power that your visions of equal representation in the Senate and guarantee of 1 31j20b3 Jun 24 #66

Yes, TYRANNY is EXACTLY what it is. Hillary Clinton WON the niyad Thursday #83

Dirt shouldn't vote Freddie Jun 24 #27

Exactly OnionPatch Thursday #81

Suspect you are new to the impact of elections on cachukis Jun 24 #4

You're suspicion is actually quite flawed as most sweeping assumptions are 31j20b3 Jun 24 #18

Just relying on your attitude about the electoral college cachukis Jun 24 #19

Yes as in a sweeping over generalization 31j20b3 Jun 24 #22

Regardless. The electoral college was set up, ultimately, cachukis Jun 24 #31

Yes. among things it was made to balance it and other legislation of the time 31j20b3 Friday #95

Valid points. cachukis Friday #96

Actually one vote means one vote. All votes equal. All politicians campaigning must reach all voters. Nanjeanne Jun 24 #5

If slavery was the only idea behind the electoral college... but today it ISN'T 31j20b3 Jun 24 #25

I outlined the 3 reasons. None are valid now IMHO. Rural voters would still need to be wooed. No Nanjeanne Jun 24 #33

Nting sweeping assumptions here: "Rural life s built around harvesting and extracting resources," c-rational Jun 24 #40

"Rural life is built around harvesting and extracting resources" . . . seriously? markpkessinger Thursday #92

Despite the majority of Americans who would like to change the electoral college, it will likely walkingman Jun 24 #6

One citizen, one vote. Johonny Jun 24 #8

Maybe. maybe not. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #20

Is this a sweeping assumption? CivicGrief Jun 24 #23

Mighty big assumption on your part. Phoenix61 Jun 24 #24

I also totally disagree. Eliminating the electoral college means EVERY VOTE COUNTS. Now, only votes in a few swing Fil1957 Jun 24 #9

"If the college were eliminated, candidates would visit many more states to get every vote they can." MichMan Jun 24 #21

It's really not about candidates visiting, it's about what enters the national conversation 31j20b3 Jun 24 #26

Yes they would, absolutely. It's true they wouldn't visit Montana or the Dakotas, but there are many states that are Fil1957 Jun 24 #64

The republican college lame54 Jun 24 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Jun 24 #11

Since the change would require a MineralMan Jun 24 #12

True, but practical imposition isn't my consideration 31j20b3 Jun 24 #29

Then your subject is irrelevant. MineralMan Jun 24 #32

It's a shame you think the national economy made up of all its parts is irrelevant 31j20b3 Jun 24 #36

But i don't think that. MineralMan Jun 24 #38

I support The 'National Popular Vote Interstate Compact' LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #89

The state of Virginia is the latest state to join the National Popular Vote Compact LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #90

Wait until a state votes overwhelmingly Dem, but has to award it's EC votes to Repugs MichMan Friday #97

Would force candidates to campaign all over the country instead of concentrating on swing state YorkRd Jun 24 #14

UNfortunately that deflects things into the party competitions and thats a mistake 31j20b3 Jun 24 #34

I don't think rural America has anything to worry about. BannonsLiver Jun 24 #15

Also, rural areas tend to be dominated by a few wealthy white people. yardwork Jun 24 #45

Each state has two Senators.... SergeStorms Jun 24 #16

And each state must have at least one Congress person. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #37

There's a compromise position. biocube Jun 24 #28

Where do you find that information? MineralMan Jun 24 #30

Rural America is grossly over represented in the Senate Bristlecone Jun 24 #35

Idaho has the same power as the probably the 4th largest economy in the world. CA. Laughable. kairos12 Jun 24 #60

How so? MichMan Friday #98

In a Unicameral System your point would be taken. kairos12 18 hrs ago #100

If you want to pretend the House doesn't exist, then yes, they have equal power MichMan 18 hrs ago #101

Explicit Powers of the Senate Makes Them Equal kairos12 17 hrs ago #105

What about passing any and all legislation ? MichMan 16 hrs ago #106

Frequency. Kidding right. kairos12 16 hrs ago #108

I'm OK with the way things are MichMan 16 hrs ago #109

Ok. I get that. kairos12 16 hrs ago #110

the Electoral College served a purpose way back Skittles Jun 24 #39

"...get the fuck rid of it" 3catwoman3 Jun 24 #62

One Flaw In Your Logic... ProfessorGAC Jun 24 #41

It doesn't matter what any of us think about the Electoral College. yardwork Jun 24 #42

Land doesn't vote, people do obamanut2012 Jun 24 #43

Yes saw that above, you can read my response from above. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #44

If its a country by the people, for the people, then the majority of the people are who's in charge sboatcar Jun 24 #46

No that can't really be allowed to stand. Places with small populations must be protected 31j20b3 Jun 24 #56

The electoral college was a compromise to protect slave states. sboatcar Thursday #85

I agree. OC375 Jun 24 #47

We're talking about people here, not "big cities" Stargleamer Jun 24 #55

Yep OC375 Jun 24 #65

I do. RandySF Jun 24 #53

Dumping the electoral college doesn't eliminate representative government DFW Jun 24 #58

I respectfully disagree. Congressional districts have an equal number of population. But each state gets 2 Senators. surfered Jun 24 #59

So, the Senate should be abolished? MichMan Jun 24 #68

No. We should go to a popular vote for President. It won't happen though without a Constitutional Amendment, which surfered Jun 24 #70

I'm not sure that can be done The Revolution Jun 24 #71

"Dumping the electoral college shifts democracy would great shift the influences of cities and metro-megalopoli"... GOOD FascismIsDeath Jun 24 #69

It won't happen in any case The Revolution Jun 24 #72

It should have been done away with 150 years ago. Emile Thursday #75

Citizens United is a bigger problem bucolic_frolic Thursday #76

Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who seem to think that some magic portal will open... OldBaldy1701E Thursday #79

White Supremacy / Apartheid is the main LuvLoogie Thursday #80

Trees don't vote. I'm sick of hearing about Middle America. I live in Middle America and always have lived rural. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #82

EC votes are awarded to each state based on population MichMan 9 hrs ago #113

One of the problems with the electoral college... returnee Thursday #84

Bad Take, IMO. Happy Hoosier Thursday #86

I strongly disagree LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #87

When the system rewards losing more votes, democracy starts to look like a coin toss rigged from the start. LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #88

"shift the influences of cities and metro-megalopoli" - NO, it's shifts it more towards PEOPLE and not land themaguffin Thursday #91

I support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #93

Just to correct the figures muriel_volestrangler Thursday #94

The Electoral Clown College needs to go Scott Alan Swaggerty Tuesday #99

You realize you'll still have representative government right! LearnedHand 18 hrs ago #102

I value the people's opinion over farm land Emile 18 hrs ago #103

Okay. nt Tommy Carcetti 18 hrs ago #104

Maybe instead of polls and hand wringing, the congress could start the process of a constitutional amendment MichMan 16 hrs ago #107

I don't like the electoral college because your vote has the potential to be flushed down the commode. Vinca 15 hrs ago #111

How would you feel if the Popular Vote Compact was adopted? MichMan 10 hrs ago #112

What would be the point of that? If a Republican won the popular vote, they'd win the election. If a Democrat Vinca 6 hrs ago #114