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wnylib

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32. I am lnot saying that there is no pride among immigrants and their
Tue Jun 30, 2026, 09:36 PM
Jun 30

descendants in being American. I am only saying that Americans are also very proud of their ethnic ancestry while being American.

I was responding to a post that said an American who became a naturalized citizen of France would not be accepted as French but would always be regarded as Ametican.

I was pointing out that something similar is true of Americans. We don't lose our ancestral ID, but still consider ourselves American. And others see us in our ancestral ID and also as American. The same would be true of an American who became a naturalized French citizen. The American ID would be there, but they would still be accepted as French. Or maybe hyphenated as "American French."

Other nations have values and ideas that they regard as theirs, just as Americans are held together by values and ideas. The British are proud of their belief in fair play. They express it in a statement when they see something unfair or unjust. They say, "That's not cricket." Cricket as in the ball game rules, not the insect.

I think it would be much harder for an American to be accepted in England, though, than in France. Brits look down on us as a former colony not quite as gooid as the parent country. I sometimes think of them as adolescents who never quite outgrew dependency on parents (monarchy). The French took a rocky road to Independence from parental monarchy, but did mature eventually into a stable republic.


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That's a veritable threefer DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #2
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We are discussing whether or not we are a creedal nation. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #4
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A creedal nation or a Blut and Boden Nation DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #8
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for fucks sake Kali Jun 30 #12
PREACH IT KALI Skittles Jun 30 #31
Are you saying some people are incapable of assimilating? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #13
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That's not what today's decision was about. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jun 30 #30
Thier behavior I_UndergroundPanther Jul 1 #34
Fall-atio[sic]??? Ronnie Raygun??? ultralite001 Jul 1 #43
What flavour pizza do you like? niyad Jun 30 #14
It was this flavor Cha Jun 30 #26
St. Ronnie Raygun was wrong in his statement about not becoming wnylib Jun 30 #6
He is saying being an American is larger and deeper DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #18
That might be what he meant but I don't agree. wnylib Jun 30 #24
I see your point. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #25
I beg to disagree. I am proud of my heritage. That doesn't mean we don't think of ourselves as 100% American. We Wonder Why Jun 30 #28
My mom's family left Russia after the Revolution of 1905 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #29
I am lnot saying that there is no pride among immigrants and their wnylib Jun 30 #32
All of those nations have a naturalization process. paulkienitz Jun 30 #19
My friend moved to Vietnam years ago. JohnnyRingo Jul 1 #42
You know times are tough when Ronald Reagan quotes are being posted in a positive light on DU. Fil1957 Jun 30 #7
No kidding. calimary Jun 30 #9
Powerful endorsement of the sentiment we are a creedal nation and not a Blut and Boden one. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #10
I'm sure he was just reading his script. Scruffy1 Jul 1 #40
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Ronald Reagan couldn't be elected with today's GOP progressoid Jun 30 #20
Today's MAGA Repigs would view R. Reagan as a liberal and, as you said, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 30 #21
For Lurking MAGAS: Dave Bowman Jun 30 #22
Thank you for posting this Vogon_Glory Jun 30 #23
I voted for Carter and Mondale, of course. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 30 #27
Well said. Thank you. WestMichRad Jun 30 #33
You're welcome. The source is immaterial. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 1 #35
MAGA don't care about Reagan. Try it, you can say bad things about him and they won't even blink LT Barclay Jul 1 #36
Well, we all know what a commie leftist pinko Reagan was. Right? Ray Bruns Jul 1 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 1 #38
MAGA Influencers hate him because he didn't hate immigrants enough. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 1 #39
Peggy Noonan on that first one, I think. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 1 #41
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