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LearnedHand

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102. You realize you'll still have representative government right!

Wed Jul 1, 2026, 09:27 AM

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The EC affects only the presidential election, and frankly I’m sick of empty land having more say so over who gets to be president than the huge percentage of people who live in urban areas. But you’re still represented by your, um, representatives? I.e., you’re not without representation if the PRESIDENT is elected by popular vote.

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Americans mostly back dumping the electoral college, i don't [View all] 31j20b3 Jun 24 OP

Electoral College gave us Trump in 2016. hlthe2b Jun 24 #1

Totally disagree. House of Roberts Jun 24 #2

I'm ok with you disagreeing. Really 31j20b3 Jun 24 #13

The House provides the local representation that you wnylib Jun 24 #48

In part, yes. But imagine 20 years of presidents with no appreciation 31j20b3 Jun 24 #49

I disagree that the president will soon have the power to wnylib Jun 24 #57

I think you may be in a dangerous delusion,THIS IS WHAT TRUMP IS DOING NOW 31j20b3 Jun 24 #63

I have no delusions or illusions about the state we are in. wnylib Jun 24 #67

Yep. bamagal62 Jun 24 #52

Dirt doesn't vote Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #3

Better said than my more verbose attempt Bettie Jun 24 #7

Rob Sand might well be your next governor DFW Jun 24 #51

I sure hope so Bettie Thursday #73

I share your assessment of him. DFW Thursday #74

This message was self-deleted by its author DinahMoeHum Thursday #77

Josh Turek may be your next US Senator DinahMoeHum Thursday #78

True. But people who choose how to run a Representative Democracy must consider 31j20b3 Jun 24 #17

I don't see how any of this addresses the problems with the "tyranny of the minority" Stargleamer Jun 24 #50

Well the E. C. is hardly tyranny is it???? That seems like rather extreme hyperbole. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #54

It can be if it brings about a tyranny. . . Stargleamer Jun 24 #61

Your argument really obscures the power that your visions of equal representation in the Senate and guarantee of 1 31j20b3 Jun 24 #66

Yes, TYRANNY is EXACTLY what it is. Hillary Clinton WON the niyad Thursday #83

Dirt shouldn't vote Freddie Jun 24 #27

Exactly OnionPatch Thursday #81

Suspect you are new to the impact of elections on cachukis Jun 24 #4

You're suspicion is actually quite flawed as most sweeping assumptions are 31j20b3 Jun 24 #18

Just relying on your attitude about the electoral college cachukis Jun 24 #19

Yes as in a sweeping over generalization 31j20b3 Jun 24 #22

Regardless. The electoral college was set up, ultimately, cachukis Jun 24 #31

Yes. among things it was made to balance it and other legislation of the time 31j20b3 Friday #95

Valid points. cachukis Friday #96

Actually one vote means one vote. All votes equal. All politicians campaigning must reach all voters. Nanjeanne Jun 24 #5

If slavery was the only idea behind the electoral college... but today it ISN'T 31j20b3 Jun 24 #25

I outlined the 3 reasons. None are valid now IMHO. Rural voters would still need to be wooed. No Nanjeanne Jun 24 #33

Nting sweeping assumptions here: "Rural life s built around harvesting and extracting resources," c-rational Jun 24 #40

"Rural life is built around harvesting and extracting resources" . . . seriously? markpkessinger Thursday #92

Despite the majority of Americans who would like to change the electoral college, it will likely walkingman Jun 24 #6

One citizen, one vote. Johonny Jun 24 #8

Maybe. maybe not. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #20

Is this a sweeping assumption? CivicGrief Jun 24 #23

Mighty big assumption on your part. Phoenix61 Jun 24 #24

I also totally disagree. Eliminating the electoral college means EVERY VOTE COUNTS. Now, only votes in a few swing Fil1957 Jun 24 #9

"If the college were eliminated, candidates would visit many more states to get every vote they can." MichMan Jun 24 #21

It's really not about candidates visiting, it's about what enters the national conversation 31j20b3 Jun 24 #26

Yes they would, absolutely. It's true they wouldn't visit Montana or the Dakotas, but there are many states that are Fil1957 Jun 24 #64

The republican college lame54 Jun 24 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Jun 24 #11

Since the change would require a MineralMan Jun 24 #12

True, but practical imposition isn't my consideration 31j20b3 Jun 24 #29

Then your subject is irrelevant. MineralMan Jun 24 #32

It's a shame you think the national economy made up of all its parts is irrelevant 31j20b3 Jun 24 #36

But i don't think that. MineralMan Jun 24 #38

I support The 'National Popular Vote Interstate Compact' LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #89

The state of Virginia is the latest state to join the National Popular Vote Compact LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #90

Wait until a state votes overwhelmingly Dem, but has to award it's EC votes to Repugs MichMan Friday #97

Would force candidates to campaign all over the country instead of concentrating on swing state YorkRd Jun 24 #14

UNfortunately that deflects things into the party competitions and thats a mistake 31j20b3 Jun 24 #34

I don't think rural America has anything to worry about. BannonsLiver Jun 24 #15

Also, rural areas tend to be dominated by a few wealthy white people. yardwork Jun 24 #45

Each state has two Senators.... SergeStorms Jun 24 #16

And each state must have at least one Congress person. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #37

There's a compromise position. biocube Jun 24 #28

Where do you find that information? MineralMan Jun 24 #30

Rural America is grossly over represented in the Senate Bristlecone Jun 24 #35

Idaho has the same power as the probably the 4th largest economy in the world. CA. Laughable. kairos12 Jun 24 #60

How so? MichMan Friday #98

In a Unicameral System your point would be taken. kairos12 21 hrs ago #100

If you want to pretend the House doesn't exist, then yes, they have equal power MichMan 20 hrs ago #101

Explicit Powers of the Senate Makes Them Equal kairos12 19 hrs ago #105

What about passing any and all legislation ? MichMan 19 hrs ago #106

Frequency. Kidding right. kairos12 19 hrs ago #108

I'm OK with the way things are MichMan 19 hrs ago #109

Ok. I get that. kairos12 19 hrs ago #110

the Electoral College served a purpose way back Skittles Jun 24 #39

"...get the fuck rid of it" 3catwoman3 Jun 24 #62

One Flaw In Your Logic... ProfessorGAC Jun 24 #41

It doesn't matter what any of us think about the Electoral College. yardwork Jun 24 #42

Land doesn't vote, people do obamanut2012 Jun 24 #43

Yes saw that above, you can read my response from above. 31j20b3 Jun 24 #44

If its a country by the people, for the people, then the majority of the people are who's in charge sboatcar Jun 24 #46

No that can't really be allowed to stand. Places with small populations must be protected 31j20b3 Jun 24 #56

The electoral college was a compromise to protect slave states. sboatcar Thursday #85

I agree. OC375 Jun 24 #47

We're talking about people here, not "big cities" Stargleamer Jun 24 #55

Yep OC375 Jun 24 #65

I do. RandySF Jun 24 #53

Dumping the electoral college doesn't eliminate representative government DFW Jun 24 #58

I respectfully disagree. Congressional districts have an equal number of population. But each state gets 2 Senators. surfered Jun 24 #59

So, the Senate should be abolished? MichMan Jun 24 #68

No. We should go to a popular vote for President. It won't happen though without a Constitutional Amendment, which surfered Jun 24 #70

I'm not sure that can be done The Revolution Jun 24 #71

"Dumping the electoral college shifts democracy would great shift the influences of cities and metro-megalopoli"... GOOD FascismIsDeath Jun 24 #69

It won't happen in any case The Revolution Jun 24 #72

It should have been done away with 150 years ago. Emile Thursday #75

Citizens United is a bigger problem bucolic_frolic Thursday #76

Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who seem to think that some magic portal will open... OldBaldy1701E Thursday #79

White Supremacy / Apartheid is the main LuvLoogie Thursday #80

Trees don't vote. I'm sick of hearing about Middle America. I live in Middle America and always have lived rural. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #82

EC votes are awarded to each state based on population MichMan 12 hrs ago #113

One of the problems with the electoral college... returnee Thursday #84

Bad Take, IMO. Happy Hoosier Thursday #86

I strongly disagree LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #87

When the system rewards losing more votes, democracy starts to look like a coin toss rigged from the start. LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #88

"shift the influences of cities and metro-megalopoli" - NO, it's shifts it more towards PEOPLE and not land themaguffin Thursday #91

I support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #93

Just to correct the figures muriel_volestrangler Thursday #94

The Electoral Clown College needs to go Scott Alan Swaggerty Tuesday #99

You realize you'll still have representative government right! LearnedHand 20 hrs ago #102

I value the people's opinion over farm land Emile 20 hrs ago #103

Okay. nt Tommy Carcetti 20 hrs ago #104

Maybe instead of polls and hand wringing, the congress could start the process of a constitutional amendment MichMan 19 hrs ago #107

I don't like the electoral college because your vote has the potential to be flushed down the commode. Vinca 17 hrs ago #111

How would you feel if the Popular Vote Compact was adopted? MichMan 12 hrs ago #112

What would be the point of that? If a Republican won the popular vote, they'd win the election. If a Democrat Vinca 9 hrs ago #114