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Crunchy Frog

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115. Some words can have a range of meanings and I believe that's always been the case.

Wed Jul 1, 2026, 04:53 PM

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I'm not sure I agree with the view that any state (including my own) has an absolute right to exist. I generally think that existing states should continue to exist but with certain caveats. I would prefer that Israel continue to exist, but not as an ethnostate where a significant part of the population are legally defined as 2nd class citizens. I'm even less supportive of it existing in a form in which territories it has sovereignty over (like the West Bank) are divided into groups of people with full citizenship and full rights, and those with no citizenship and no rights.

So whether or not I support Zionism is highly dependent on how one defines that term.

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