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harumph

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20. Non-authoritarians occasionally have to resort to hard leveraging of rules and options

Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:41 PM

Jul 2

to protect institutions from actual authoritarians. I submit whether one is considered an actual authoritarian requires the assessment of behavior over time instead of singular instances. There is attack and self defense. Both may involve loss of life, but they do not represent the same intent. If institutions are to function at all, they require rules and sufficient consensus to follow the rules. The traditionalists are schismatic at the very least by denying Vatican II, although they will deny it. Being schismatic, they have removed themselves from the Church. In essence, they did the heavy lifting all by themselves and Pope Leo merely went on record acknowledging that fact.

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Vatican cracks down on a traditionalist group by excommunicating its bishops [View all] dalton99a Jul 2 OP

Take Down Opus Dei next! Chasstev365 Jul 2 #1

+1 dalton99a Jul 2 #2

They're dangerous to the general population. rubbersole Jul 2 #8

Beat me to it. He does that, and ill be back in there the following sunday with a hundred bucks in my hand. Volaris Jul 2 #11

Shady Vance would have to find another religion again. wnylib Jul 2 #44

Excommunicate Opus Dei SCOTUS and JD Vance next... hlthe2b Jul 2 #3

This! 👆👆👆👆👆 SheltieLover Jul 2 #6

ABSOLUTELY! Jilly_in_VA Jul 2 #26

This MustLoveBeagles Jul 2 #41

Awww, thank you MustLoveBeagles! hlthe2b Jul 2 #43

Dang. This Pope might get me back into a church Prairie Gates Jul 2 #4

A teaching moment for the US left. If you have the power and you're negotiating with assholes, you're losing. harumph Jul 2 #5

Religious fundamentalists of all faiths are made of the same cloth. sop Jul 2 #7

this. fanatics (of all breed and stripe) are dangerous stopdiggin Jul 2 #10

I have long believed... GiqueCee Jul 2 #14

Vance and the KKKatholic Kourt. usonian Jul 2 #9

Damn! GiqueCee Jul 2 #12

I think it's in Italian, not Latin. nt Wednesdays Jul 2 #15

I thought... GiqueCee Jul 2 #16

Italian is the working and administrative language of the Vatican. dalton99a Jul 2 #17

AHA! GiqueCee Jul 2 #19

why a dead language is good for enduring concepts rampartd Jul 2 #36

Good point! GiqueCee Jul 2 #37

it is why so much law and medicine still use a dead language. rampartd Jul 2 #38

Dead languages evolve too. hunter Jul 2 #39

mea culpa rampartd Jul 2 #42

I know Latin from biology not the law. hunter Jul 2 #46

Go Leo! Crack that whip! liberalla Jul 2 #13

A good reminder that authoritarians use authority to preserve the system that preserves them 31j20b3 Jul 2 #18

Non-authoritarians occasionally have to resort to hard leveraging of rules and options harumph Jul 2 #20

Yes, especially in a case like this wherein a handful out of thousands of priests 31j20b3 Jul 2 #21

Oh, I see where you're coming from. harumph Jul 2 #22

I suppose it's also a question of shoe-size 31j20b3 Jul 2 #23

Agreed. That's often the case. harumph Jul 2 #24

Yep, and our troubling problem is the few caught on a very long time ago 31j20b3 Jul 2 #25

sspx : this schism goes back to like 1970 rampartd Jul 2 #45

Would a Catholic church named St Pius X be part of that group or not doyou think? mahina Jul 3 #48

i've never knowingly met any of these guys, or any opus dei for that matter rampartd Jul 3 #49

It might depend on when the church was built and named. TommyT139 Jul 3 #51

You don't understand that this fascist group is the one blm Jul 2 #30

Could use a proper name for "this fascist group" just so I can be sure 31j20b3 Jul 2 #31

TFP. Tradition-Family-Property. They are like the commoner base for Opus Dei elites. blm Jul 2 #33

Thanks. I didn't know about TFP, but I'm aware of pfople pushing that 31j20b3 Jul 2 #34

There's a multi-part documentary on HBO TommyT139 Jul 3 #50

Exciting times bucolic_frolic Jul 2 #27

Good. blm Jul 2 #28

Not just the bishops - anyone who "habitually participates" in the society and "formally shares its positions" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2 #29

This isn't even the first time SSPX has pulled these shenanigans... sir pball Jul 2 #32

Exactly. I was horrified when Benedict removed restrictions on them. blm Jul 2 #35

Good. hunter Jul 2 #40

I was hoping Vance had been Baptized into Catholicism by SSPX. pat_k Jul 2 #47