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rampartd

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45. sspx : this schism goes back to like 1970

Thu Jul 2, 2026, 08:23 PM

Jul 2

these guys did not like vatican 2. too much change at once. saints like chrisopher and patrick decanonized. it was very hard on the older generation. i wear my father's st christopher medal .

notes for another post

these guys were not excommunicated for doctrinal hair splitting, and their latin rituals could have been accommodated, but there is a firm line at "investiture."

It began as a power struggle between Pope Gregory VII and Henry IV (then King, later Holy Roman Emperor) in 1076.[2] The conflict ended in 1122, when Pope Callixtus II and Emperor Henry V agreed on the Concordat of Worms. The agreement required bishops to swear an oath of fealty to the secular monarch, who held authority "by the lance" but left selection to the church. It affirmed the right of the church to invest bishops with sacred authority, symbolized by a ring and staff.

the investing of bishops is a papal prerogative. confirmed on the battlefield. henry iv (was he a hapsburg?) was beaten so badly that he climbed the mountain to canossa barefoot in the snow to beg gregory to lift his excommunication. kind of like trump in iran but without the market manipulation.

investiture was also a problem in england from henry i through henry viii, who had no problem outlawing catholicism and appropriating church lands. this is what got the archbishop murdered in canterbury cathedral

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Vatican cracks down on a traditionalist group by excommunicating its bishops [View all] dalton99a Jul 2 OP

Take Down Opus Dei next! Chasstev365 Jul 2 #1

+1 dalton99a Jul 2 #2

They're dangerous to the general population. rubbersole Jul 2 #8

Beat me to it. He does that, and ill be back in there the following sunday with a hundred bucks in my hand. Volaris Jul 2 #11

Shady Vance would have to find another religion again. wnylib Jul 2 #44

Excommunicate Opus Dei SCOTUS and JD Vance next... hlthe2b Jul 2 #3

This! 👆👆👆👆👆 SheltieLover Jul 2 #6

ABSOLUTELY! Jilly_in_VA Jul 2 #26

This MustLoveBeagles Jul 2 #41

Awww, thank you MustLoveBeagles! hlthe2b Jul 2 #43

Dang. This Pope might get me back into a church Prairie Gates Jul 2 #4

A teaching moment for the US left. If you have the power and you're negotiating with assholes, you're losing. harumph Jul 2 #5

Religious fundamentalists of all faiths are made of the same cloth. sop Jul 2 #7

this. fanatics (of all breed and stripe) are dangerous stopdiggin Jul 2 #10

I have long believed... GiqueCee Jul 2 #14

Vance and the KKKatholic Kourt. usonian Jul 2 #9

Damn! GiqueCee Jul 2 #12

I think it's in Italian, not Latin. nt Wednesdays Jul 2 #15

I thought... GiqueCee Jul 2 #16

Italian is the working and administrative language of the Vatican. dalton99a Jul 2 #17

AHA! GiqueCee Jul 2 #19

why a dead language is good for enduring concepts rampartd Jul 2 #36

Good point! GiqueCee Jul 2 #37

it is why so much law and medicine still use a dead language. rampartd Jul 2 #38

Dead languages evolve too. hunter Jul 2 #39

mea culpa rampartd Jul 2 #42

I know Latin from biology not the law. hunter Jul 2 #46

Go Leo! Crack that whip! liberalla Jul 2 #13

A good reminder that authoritarians use authority to preserve the system that preserves them 31j20b3 Jul 2 #18

Non-authoritarians occasionally have to resort to hard leveraging of rules and options harumph Jul 2 #20

Yes, especially in a case like this wherein a handful out of thousands of priests 31j20b3 Jul 2 #21

Oh, I see where you're coming from. harumph Jul 2 #22

I suppose it's also a question of shoe-size 31j20b3 Jul 2 #23

Agreed. That's often the case. harumph Jul 2 #24

Yep, and our troubling problem is the few caught on a very long time ago 31j20b3 Jul 2 #25

sspx : this schism goes back to like 1970 rampartd Jul 2 #45

Would a Catholic church named St Pius X be part of that group or not doyou think? mahina Jul 3 #48

i've never knowingly met any of these guys, or any opus dei for that matter rampartd Jul 3 #49

It might depend on when the church was built and named. TommyT139 Jul 3 #51

You don't understand that this fascist group is the one blm Jul 2 #30

Could use a proper name for "this fascist group" just so I can be sure 31j20b3 Jul 2 #31

TFP. Tradition-Family-Property. They are like the commoner base for Opus Dei elites. blm Jul 2 #33

Thanks. I didn't know about TFP, but I'm aware of pfople pushing that 31j20b3 Jul 2 #34

There's a multi-part documentary on HBO TommyT139 Jul 3 #50

Exciting times bucolic_frolic Jul 2 #27

Good. blm Jul 2 #28

Not just the bishops - anyone who "habitually participates" in the society and "formally shares its positions" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2 #29

This isn't even the first time SSPX has pulled these shenanigans... sir pball Jul 2 #32

Exactly. I was horrified when Benedict removed restrictions on them. blm Jul 2 #35

Good. hunter Jul 2 #40

I was hoping Vance had been Baptized into Catholicism by SSPX. pat_k Jul 2 #47