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20. "So what is it about socialism that Republicans are agains?" The countries listed are not socialist.

Sun Jul 5, 2026, 04:48 AM

Jul 5

Just because Republicans call something socialist doesn't make it socialist.

The confusion started when democratic socialism was relabeled as the capitalist liberal Democratic policies of FDR and LBJ, that they were actually democratic socialists: "That was Roosevelt's vision seventy years ago. It is my vision today." Myth that the true roots of the Democratic Party are democratic socialist, therefore socialists are the only true Democrats (what "FDR Democrat" means).

The Democratic Party "establishment" could then be accused of being corrupt and immoral, "ignoring the working class," shifting to the right: "In the '70s, '60s, Democrats caught on they could raise a lot of money from wealthy people." They are demonized as the true roadblock to progress and the party must be taken over and transformed. "Progressive" meaning anti-establishment and "establishment" meaning not progressive.

People who believe this definition think Democratic issues like universal health care, higher wages, taxing the wealthy and corporations, environmental regulations, campaign finance reform, affordable housing, child care, social safety net, etc. are democratic socialist or progressive and Democrats are against them. despise and are terrified of them because The People agree with socialist/progressive policies and will vote Democrats out of power and they'll all have to go work at McDonald's and be poor and sad .

Redefined "democratic socialism" = capitalism
Original recipe democratic socialism = anti-capitalism

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and there's the opponent's theme song....Communism/Socialism......it'll kill us. Gotta get on top of this [View all] a kennedy Jul 4 OP

this is "they are eating the dogs" only "they " is us. rampartd Jul 4 #1

No, it won't. Ocelot II Jul 4 #2

"NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK" durablend Jul 5 #27

i was called one of them things when i was in high school because i wanted to protect the environment. AllaN01Bear Jul 4 #3

So dramatic! -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #4

The Scandinavian countries are not socialist. They are constitutional monarchies (except for Iceland) Ocelot II Jul 5 #8

Oh, bullshit. (See: No True Scotsman Fallacy) -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #10

Read the article. *They* don't even think they're socialists. Ocelot II Jul 5 #11

Great! Then Democratic Socialists aren't socialist -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #12

The DSA probably are socialists. The Scandinavians aren't. Ocelot II Jul 5 #13

"A real voice" is dramatically different from... -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #14

No, the one where Danish PM explains they're "far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy." betsuni Jul 5 #16

Whoosh! There it went! -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #17

What is the point? betsuni Jul 5 #18

See post #4 above -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #19

"So what is it about socialism that Republicans are agains?" The countries listed are not socialist. betsuni Jul 5 #20

There's absolutely no danger that the US is going to suddenly go completely socialist snot Jul 5 #34

We need to control our own message, not react to theirs struggle4progress Jul 5 #5

I'm not worried Fiendish Thingy Jul 5 #6

Anybody who thinks we do not have to fight this is delusional! tableturner Jul 5 #7

You don't ignore it but you don't have to explain it newdeal2 Jul 5 #9

This is the 2026/28 talking point Mz Pip Jul 5 #31

A majority of the DSA leadership openly identify as Communists. pcdb Jul 5 #33

James Carville spoke out against them Mz Pip Jul 5 #36

I agree that if the party isn't on top of this fujiyamasan Jul 5 #15

On the plus side, they seem to be giving up on trans hate for this election cycle. Vinca Jul 5 #21

Don't bet on that. BannonsLiver Jul 5 #26

Watch Clinton malaise Jul 5 #22

Decades late for that. Blue Full Moon Jul 5 #23

Trump talking with actual commie. Blue Full Moon Jul 5 #24

I must have missed the genesis of this but we got DUers who are BIG SKEERED of Donnie's words again. BannonsLiver Jul 5 #25

Depressing, isn't it? -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #29

It is in the sense that we're 11 years into maga and we have people who are still soft. BannonsLiver Jul 5 #30

Sure, they're soft. They have to be. -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #32

The right has been calling Dems socialist/communists since FDR... Thomas Hurt Jul 5 #28

Blah, quit taking the bait and inflaming the rank and file duckworth969 Jul 5 #35

There is a pattern LetMyPeopleVote Monday #37