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35. Yet another OP attacking progressives

Sun Jul 5, 2026, 01:53 PM

Jul 5

Genuinely starting to believe this is no longer the website for me. People are openly hostile to progressives here and with no repercussions.

People have become panicked into thinking only conservative Democrats can be successful in this country. That we have to bend the knee to Republican talking points and solutions.

I mean the very first public talking point released from the Democratic policy "project 2029" is they promise to create a to law to force people to uniquely identity themselves when using the Internet. Our first policy, the most important thing in our agenda, is to limit and control free speech?

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We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all] boston bean Jul 5 OP

But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll Scrivener7 Jul 5 #1

Right on. Run on the principles and ditch the label. Ocelot II Jul 5 #2

If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center. Magoo48 Jul 5 #50

Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter Cheezoholic Jul 5 #81

Winning is too much for some people. BComplex Jul 6 #271

They won three primaries in one of the most liberal cities in the country. SamuelAdams Jul 6 #292

Completely agree Lategame Jul 5 #5

I agree Felicita Jul 5 #31

All we need to do then, is point out that they are social democrats. BComplex Jul 6 #272

I will refer you to post #2. Democrats are winning across the country because - Democrat stopdiggin Jul 6 #293

"Social Democrats" blubunyip Jul 6 #279

lol - and finally we get to the point. TBF Jul 6 #294

It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because...... boston bean Jul 5 #7

Purity testing has been the bane of Democrats. Lategame Jul 5 #13

The " no purity test" talking points angrychair Jul 5 #41

Umm no. No no no no. boston bean Jul 5 #54

100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we KPN Jul 5 #154

It not the discussion we are talking about creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #160

Calling for party loyalty isn't a purity test... it's basic political math. QueerDuck Jul 6 #273

Yes, we "vagina voters." How dare we vote for HRC and VP Harris? mcar Jul 5 #110

Importantly shore up Social Security as part of a platform. Prairie_Seagull Jul 5 #24

T H I S ! ! ! Cosmocat Jul 6 #287

Additionally Prairie_Seagull Jul 6 #304

Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over question everything Jul 5 #33

I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #43

The problem is not capitalism Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #47

I would add to that the: Corruption, Cruelty and Chaos!! Ars Longa Jul 5 #165

My Economics Professor Who Was A Republican BlueKota Jul 5 #233

Vulture Capitalism blubunyip Jul 6 #281

I hate capitalism I_UndergroundPanther Jul 5 #187

DSA is not a political party Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #45

Looking at it as a big tent is the way for the Dem party to thrive. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #136

Recommended! hamsterjill Jul 5 #46

The hardest part isn't the messaging, it's the money mdbl Jul 5 #68

Your point is valid. hamsterjill Jul 5 #98

Welcome to the Old Farts Club mdbl Jul 6 #261

lol SonOfNebanaube Jul 6 #280

The purity tests should end with the primaries mdbl Jul 5 #80

SELF destructive. And really ignorant. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #103

+1 leftstreet Jul 5 #243

Yes, it is just a word. But it's a word that the right will stroke into a frenzy. hadEnuf Jul 6 #264

Just "Democrats." We don't need to change our name bc his mouth spewed something. Scrivener7 Jul 6 #266

No name change, just a clarification of the truth. hadEnuf Jul 6 #268

"A word the right will stroke into a frenzy"....like every other word they stroke into a BComplex Jul 6 #274

The word socialist means something more than the usual right-wing litany of insults. hadEnuf Jul 6 #305

Neither of us know who this country will or won't elect -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #3

Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity. boston bean Jul 5 #6

You're sick of people voting their conscience? -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #11

Yes their pure conscience helped bring us us mango Mussolini. boston bean Jul 5 #15

Really? -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #22

The two times we lost we had coronations. Gore1FL Jul 5 #26

Or women candidates Blaukraut Jul 5 #29

And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing question everything Jul 5 #37

Only those lacking a BS detector would equate Sanders and Donald (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #42

Not today. But in 2016 many did question everything Jul 5 #44

And they lacked a BS detector in 2016 (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #62

How many? Link to a poll, please (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #82

You can read up on it here. sheshe2 Jul 5 #137

Thank you. My cynicism was wrong. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #143

Not sure about that. AloeVera Jul 5 #215

Or you can read a real analysis which shows most of the Trump voters who supported Sanders in Nanjeanne Jul 6 #265

Bernie lost the primary because the democratic party wouldn't let him participate in BComplex Jul 6 #276

Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University question everything Jul 5 #181

Post removed Post removed Jul 5 #73

Her name is Hillary. mr715 Jul 5 #77

Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper SSJVegeta Jul 5 #84

I prefer Secretary and Senator Clinton. mr715 Jul 5 #89

Truth SSJVegeta Jul 5 #91

Huh? TVguyCards Jul 5 #147

Sanders: "they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense." betsuni Jul 5 #176

I do not believe that either Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris lost. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #149

YES!! Yellow dahlia nailed it! BComplex Jul 6 #278

Thanks, BC. I have paid so much attention to these two elections since November 2016, yellow dahlia Jul 6 #290

And it freaks me out to this day that democrats weren't shouting this from the rafters! BComplex Jul 6 #296

Exactly! In 2016 I read an article that raised the alarm about the election results, yellow dahlia Jul 6 #302

That is simply false mcar Jul 5 #115

I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #145

The DNC did not rig anything. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #174

Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what betsuni Jul 5 #213

That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #221

Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would betsuni Jul 6 #249

I never said Bernie said there was rigging, but others of us did. yellow dahlia Jul 6 #253

What are you talking about? mcar Jul 5 #220

This is what I am talking about. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #222

That didn't change the popular vote iemanja Jul 5 #236

The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #240

She got the popular vote in the primary iemanja Jul 5 #244

The primaries and nomination involve more than just the popular vote. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #246

I've stated the facts iemanja Jul 5 #248

The super - delegates are not determined by the will of the people - on the contrary. yellow dahlia Jul 6 #250

"Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3 -- at that point, he needed 984 betsuni Jul 6 #259

Hillary Clinton received 3.7 million more votes than Bernie Sanders Quiet Em Jul 6 #252

It's about the Super - Delegates. yellow dahlia Jul 6 #254

It was fair. It wasn't even close. Quiet Em Jul 6 #255

Yes the lawsuit was thrown out, due to lack of standing. The judge said the DNC did indeed undermine yellow dahlia Jul 6 #256

The people did pick the nominee. Quiet Em Jul 6 #258

Actually, the judge said he "assumed" the plaintiff's positions to determine Nixie Jul 6 #307

It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem. betsuni Jul 5 #186

We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing lostincalifornia Jul 5 #67

The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think. AloeVera Jul 5 #206

I disagree with your use of the word "fact". yellow dahlia Jul 5 #139

Best evidence possible creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #182

The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the yellow dahlia Jul 5 #197

Its not the only time it ever happened creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #199

The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #201

I've never seen any evidence of any election fraud. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #203

That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #209

fine creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #211

NOT a "fact". The republican media brought us to this place, plus billionaires BComplex Jul 6 #275

I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #49

You're going to be sick a long time -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #58

Require Civics class in high school. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #99

There are limits -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #123

Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #125

Hypothetically -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #132

When that situation arises, we can talk about it. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #135

Then it wouldn't be hypothetical, right? -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #141

You do you. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #142

I'm irrelevant -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #144

I hope they take a good look at the result of their choice creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #185

Some will -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #195

I hope so. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #196

Good analogy. I'm in 100% agreement. oasis Jul 5 #66

But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line. meadowlander Jul 5 #79

The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #90

I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #100

So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP? muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #105

I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #107

"Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #112

Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering? boston bean Jul 5 #151

Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party, muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #156

Some comprehension would be very helpful here. boston bean Jul 5 #158

Some meaningful writing in the OP would have been very helpful. muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #161

Nope. 👎 boston bean Jul 5 #180

The bus, however, should be free mr715 Jul 5 #96

It is! That's the beauty! Scrivener7 Jul 5 #101

That's the best description I've seen buzzycrumbhunger Jul 5 #108

Love this analogy! mcar Jul 5 #116

Well done! A very apt analogy! Abolishinist Jul 5 #198

I voted my conscience in 2016 and 2024 mcar Jul 5 #114

And I respect your views -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #127

The people who desert us keep saying that creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #166

How can they ignore the 5 million people who are losing health care creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #171

You are indeed free to give you opinion -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #173

I've never changed a mind creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #177

Aren't you advocating for more of the same? Renew Deal Jul 5 #113

Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH RandomNumbers Jul 5 #21

If, in 2006, someone had said... -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #27

Then you don't remember it well angrychair Jul 5 #51

I didn't know about PUMAS. I learn something every day. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #159

But Clinton herself supported Obama after the primary. Very soon after, RandomNumbers Jul 6 #284

Die-hard Hillary supporters spawned their own website, too: Rob H. Jul 6 #308

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Jul 5 #4

See ya bye orangecrush Jul 5 #8

Ya think? boston bean Jul 5 #9

The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes. Melon Jul 5 #10

"Far left" Mysterian Jul 5 #124

There is a spectrum of beliefs within every party. Melon Jul 5 #129

There are no "far left" politicians in the Democratic party Mysterian Jul 5 #131

No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments. Melon Jul 5 #138

According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #140

Sorry...typing on a tablet. Melon Jul 5 #148

Thanks - that makes sense (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #150

Why do you think a democratic socialist will be the nominee in 2028? Fiendish Thingy Jul 5 #12

I am baffled by your forgetfulness of recent history. boston bean Jul 5 #14

Party unity isn't achieved by the left acquiescing to the centrists Fiendish Thingy Jul 5 #23

I don't see how affordability creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #188

I voted for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #38

Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president? muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #16

What? boston bean Jul 5 #17

A quote from the OP, which you wrote: muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #20

I haven't seen AOC tear the party down creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #190

That might be what's behind the OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #204

I think its about what is going on right here. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #205

Not just for that creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #237

That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #242

Not terribly unlikely ones though. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #245

I don't think she could win as president in 2028. She could win US Senate. LeftInTX Jul 5 #232

They said she might try that. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #238

I recommend Xanax. mr715 Jul 5 #18

Yep, centrism works so well. Oh wait... orthoclad Jul 5 #19

How do we taste? You're the one doing the cannibalizing. mr715 Jul 5 #25

I was going to ask what wine i pair best with n/t gay texan Jul 5 #69

You are a Texan? mr715 Jul 5 #75

Yes! N/t gay texan Jul 5 #76

Chianti. AloeVera Jul 5 #117

Gracious! H2O Man Jul 5 #28

Agreed. The midterms are crucial. We need to save Democracy. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #162

Some people are addicted to the drama. Same as it ever was. demmiblue Jul 6 #262

Well said Auggie Jul 5 #30

Can you explain what "this shit" is, then? muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #34

Suspect it's Mamdani-backed candidates winning in the New York primaries meadowlander Jul 5 #39

I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #63

It's "we get smeared with the views of the most extreme amongst us" meadowlander Jul 5 #70

I agree with you. I'm hoping that someone who recommended the OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #78

Shit that is going on creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #194

Thank you for being specific. muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #207

Wasn't the case before creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #210

Word! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #163

Kamala is talking with Mamdani creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #191

I never said "this shit." The OP did. Auggie Jul 5 #85

You said the OP was "well said" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #93

You are wicked sharp orangecrush Jul 5 #146

Vote on policy duckworth969 Jul 5 #32

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Jul 5 #83

Kudos to you for understanding nuance. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #164

Nope creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #214

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Jul 5 #86

And there it is. Exactly what I speak of. boston bean Jul 5 #130

Yet another OP attacking progressives angrychair Jul 5 #35

I'm a progressive and I very much agree with OP. W_HAMILTON Jul 5 #55

The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported. SSJVegeta Jul 5 #59

The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats. W_HAMILTON Jul 5 #65

"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics SSJVegeta Jul 5 #71

That's not what they want angrychair Jul 5 #126

Right on! creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #208

It is the website for you. SSJVegeta Jul 5 #56

The forum needs you. We need all voices. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #167

The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years meadowlander Jul 5 #36

THIS gay texan Jul 5 #74

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #168

Then after the primaries we should all pull together creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #216

I think of what popsdenver Jul 5 #40

I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that yellow dahlia Jul 5 #172

It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times lostincalifornia Jul 5 #48

Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation. LeftInTX Jul 5 #231

"Destroy" becomes "transform" because it sounds nicer, but it means destroy and punish, ends justify the means. betsuni Jul 6 #260

I'm not saying it's right or wrong angrychair Jul 5 #235

People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. . betsuni Jul 5 #52

Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was. meadowlander Jul 5 #61

No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s. betsuni Jul 5 #106

Right, except I was alive through all of those election cycles meadowlander Jul 5 #119

That's because its true creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #218

And Hillary as First Lady fighting for universal healthcare. boston bean Jul 5 #226

She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know. betsuni Jul 5 #241

Coalition building! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #175

Really? sheshe2 Jul 5 #192

I remember Hillary Clinton's proposals for universal healthcare. Nixie Jul 5 #102

Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test. betsuni Jul 5 #128

++++ Nixie Jul 5 #217

Yep. mcar Jul 5 #118

Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly SSJVegeta Jul 5 #53

Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Louisiana etc would like a word. BannonsLiver Jul 5 #183

Um.Most of those states were blue when Bernie was elected in 1990 SSJVegeta Jul 5 #228

IMHO, Democrats overestimate everything about the voting public:..... ColoringFool Jul 5 #57

The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat. walkingman Jul 5 #60

Word! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #134

Word! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #179

thank you - I swear these threads are going to kill us TBF Jul 5 #234

K & R SunSeeker Jul 5 #64

"Your views aren't welcome unless you suppress them." David__77 Jul 5 #72

Touch grass. Stacey Grove Jul 5 #87

Really! wolfie001 Jul 6 #298

America elected FDR to 4 terms IronLionZion Jul 5 #88

Good rant lefthandedskyhook Jul 5 #92

FIGHT OLIGARCHY usonian Jul 5 #94

my beef w them is the blatant antisemitism. mopinko Jul 5 #95

Netanyahu Gaza genocide of civilians is not acceptable DemocracyForever Jul 5 #184

propaganda. mopinko Jul 5 #193

Killing children is propaganda? DemocracyForever Jul 5 #202

Left Center Right dave99 Jul 5 #97

Where did this come from? mcar Jul 5 #121

I agree larwdem Jul 5 #104

K&R mcar Jul 5 #109

Thanks for sharing the status quo position. Renew Deal Jul 5 #111

And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms. Initech Jul 5 #120

The ONLY winning strategy is voting blue in the general. Buddyzbuddy Jul 5 #122

I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats. cksmithy Jul 5 #133

"Progressive" orangecrush Jul 5 #152

Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #153

Yes a progressive is a good thing, all I said is a Democratic socialist, cksmithy Jul 5 #200

Have to agree blubunyip Jul 6 #297

I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a Raftergirl Jul 5 #155

Love your post!!! creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #157

I remember people here saying Obama would never be elected Skittles Jul 5 #169

At my job the average age is about 27. Eko Jul 5 #170

I felt this way 25 years ago. Alice B. Jul 6 #267

+1 leftstreet Jul 6 #277

... demmiblue Jul 5 #178

The status quo isn't working DemocracyForever Jul 5 #189

If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM Tim S Jul 5 #212

"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things." Buddyzbuddy Jul 5 #230

People are eventually going to tire of MAGA policies EnergizedLib Jul 5 #219

Eventually? mr715 Jul 5 #223

And do we need Florida to control Washington? EnergizedLib Jul 5 #224

We need Florida to at least partially sink into the sea... mr715 Jul 5 #225

I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary. LeftInTX Jul 5 #227

It looks to me more and more that... WestMichRad Jul 5 #229

yup - and btw Skittles Jul 5 #239

I don't know if the Democratic Socialist brand is the right thing, but the candidates themselves are who will save us. Music Man Jul 5 #247

IMO the "socialist" label moondust Jul 6 #251

If this is about Chevalier, yeah, she has said some stupid shit in the past Quiet Em Jul 6 #257

Agree / disagree 4bonhoffer Jul 6 #263

Exactly. The fact that there is even discourse about whether or not the Democrats would be better than what we have now. madibella Jul 6 #269

The ratchet analogy is quite illustrative here Orrex Jul 6 #270

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." krawhitham Jul 6 #282

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Here are some basic facts for you indusurb Jul 6 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author nankerphelge Jul 6 #285

Sure, just hoist the white flag and accept the status quo. Scruffy1 Jul 6 #286

We lost Bernie voters to the Idiot in Chief IbogaProject Jul 6 #288

Exactly agree! SamuelAdams Jul 6 #289

"Hamas slogans"? wolfie001 Jul 6 #301

Biden had much narrower Congressional majorities in his first two years because Soul_of_Wit Jul 6 #303

Socialism represents public power. Of course Republican and centrists are going to fight this. Fuck em! Emile Jul 6 #291

My Social Security check every month is Socialism and I'm still crying about it! Medicare too! wolfie001 Jul 6 #300

NO Chi67 Jul 6 #295

..... wolfie001 Jul 6 #299

I don't understand your logic. CrimsonBight Jul 6 #306

"Joe Biden was a great president." Rob H. Jul 6 #309