General Discussion

muriel_volestrangler

(107,091 posts)

204. That might be what's behind the OP

Sun Jul 5, 2026, 06:09 PM

Jul 5

but they won't come out and say it out loud if it is. I don't think many would accept that supporting her is "cannibalizing" the party.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

309 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all] boston bean Jul 5 OP

But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll Scrivener7 Jul 5 #1

Right on. Run on the principles and ditch the label. Ocelot II Jul 5 #2

If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center. Magoo48 Jul 5 #50

Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter Cheezoholic Jul 5 #81

Winning is too much for some people. BComplex Jul 6 #271

They won three primaries in one of the most liberal cities in the country. SamuelAdams Jul 6 #292

Completely agree Lategame Jul 5 #5

I agree Felicita Jul 5 #31

All we need to do then, is point out that they are social democrats. BComplex Jul 6 #272

I will refer you to post #2. Democrats are winning across the country because - Democrat stopdiggin Jul 6 #293

"Social Democrats" blubunyip Jul 6 #279

lol - and finally we get to the point. TBF Jul 6 #294

It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because...... boston bean Jul 5 #7

Purity testing has been the bane of Democrats. Lategame Jul 5 #13

The " no purity test" talking points angrychair Jul 5 #41

Umm no. No no no no. boston bean Jul 5 #54

100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we KPN Jul 5 #154

It not the discussion we are talking about creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #160

Calling for party loyalty isn't a purity test... it's basic political math. QueerDuck Jul 6 #273

Yes, we "vagina voters." How dare we vote for HRC and VP Harris? mcar Jul 5 #110

Importantly shore up Social Security as part of a platform. Prairie_Seagull Jul 5 #24

T H I S ! ! ! Cosmocat Jul 6 #287

Additionally Prairie_Seagull Jul 6 #304

Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over question everything Jul 5 #33

I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #43

The problem is not capitalism Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #47

I would add to that the: Corruption, Cruelty and Chaos!! Ars Longa Jul 5 #165

My Economics Professor Who Was A Republican BlueKota Jul 5 #233

Vulture Capitalism blubunyip Jul 6 #281

I hate capitalism I_UndergroundPanther Jul 5 #187

DSA is not a political party Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #45

Looking at it as a big tent is the way for the Dem party to thrive. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #136

Recommended! hamsterjill Jul 5 #46

The hardest part isn't the messaging, it's the money mdbl Jul 5 #68

Your point is valid. hamsterjill Jul 5 #98

Welcome to the Old Farts Club mdbl Jul 6 #261

lol SonOfNebanaube Jul 6 #280

The purity tests should end with the primaries mdbl Jul 5 #80

SELF destructive. And really ignorant. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #103

+1 leftstreet Jul 5 #243

Yes, it is just a word. But it's a word that the right will stroke into a frenzy. hadEnuf Jul 6 #264

Just "Democrats." We don't need to change our name bc his mouth spewed something. Scrivener7 Jul 6 #266

No name change, just a clarification of the truth. hadEnuf Jul 6 #268

"A word the right will stroke into a frenzy"....like every other word they stroke into a BComplex Jul 6 #274

The word socialist means something more than the usual right-wing litany of insults. hadEnuf Jul 6 #305

Neither of us know who this country will or won't elect -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #3

Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity. boston bean Jul 5 #6

You're sick of people voting their conscience? -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #11

Yes their pure conscience helped bring us us mango Mussolini. boston bean Jul 5 #15

Really? -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #22

The two times we lost we had coronations. Gore1FL Jul 5 #26

Or women candidates Blaukraut Jul 5 #29

And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing question everything Jul 5 #37

Only those lacking a BS detector would equate Sanders and Donald (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #42

Not today. But in 2016 many did question everything Jul 5 #44

And they lacked a BS detector in 2016 (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #62

How many? Link to a poll, please (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #82

You can read up on it here. sheshe2 Jul 5 #137

Thank you. My cynicism was wrong. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #143

Not sure about that. AloeVera Jul 5 #215

Or you can read a real analysis which shows most of the Trump voters who supported Sanders in Nanjeanne Jul 6 #265

Bernie lost the primary because the democratic party wouldn't let him participate in BComplex Jul 6 #276

Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University question everything Jul 5 #181

Post removed Post removed Jul 5 #73

Her name is Hillary. mr715 Jul 5 #77

Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper SSJVegeta Jul 5 #84

I prefer Secretary and Senator Clinton. mr715 Jul 5 #89

Truth SSJVegeta Jul 5 #91

Huh? TVguyCards Jul 5 #147

Sanders: "they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense." betsuni Jul 5 #176

I do not believe that either Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris lost. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #149

YES!! Yellow dahlia nailed it! BComplex Jul 6 #278

Thanks, BC. I have paid so much attention to these two elections since November 2016, yellow dahlia Jul 6 #290

And it freaks me out to this day that democrats weren't shouting this from the rafters! BComplex Jul 6 #296

Exactly! In 2016 I read an article that raised the alarm about the election results, yellow dahlia Jul 6 #302

That is simply false mcar Jul 5 #115

I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #145

The DNC did not rig anything. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #174

Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what betsuni Jul 5 #213

That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #221

Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would betsuni Jul 6 #249

I never said Bernie said there was rigging, but others of us did. yellow dahlia Jul 6 #253

What are you talking about? mcar Jul 5 #220

This is what I am talking about. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #222

That didn't change the popular vote iemanja Jul 5 #236

The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #240

She got the popular vote in the primary iemanja Jul 5 #244

The primaries and nomination involve more than just the popular vote. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #246

I've stated the facts iemanja Jul 5 #248

The super - delegates are not determined by the will of the people - on the contrary. yellow dahlia Jul 6 #250

"Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3 -- at that point, he needed 984 betsuni Jul 6 #259

Hillary Clinton received 3.7 million more votes than Bernie Sanders Quiet Em Jul 6 #252

It's about the Super - Delegates. yellow dahlia Jul 6 #254

It was fair. It wasn't even close. Quiet Em Jul 6 #255

Yes the lawsuit was thrown out, due to lack of standing. The judge said the DNC did indeed undermine yellow dahlia Jul 6 #256

The people did pick the nominee. Quiet Em Jul 6 #258

Actually, the judge said he "assumed" the plaintiff's positions to determine Nixie Jul 6 #307

It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem. betsuni Jul 5 #186

We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing lostincalifornia Jul 5 #67

The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think. AloeVera Jul 5 #206

I disagree with your use of the word "fact". yellow dahlia Jul 5 #139

Best evidence possible creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #182

The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the yellow dahlia Jul 5 #197

Its not the only time it ever happened creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #199

The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #201

I've never seen any evidence of any election fraud. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #203

That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #209

fine creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #211

NOT a "fact". The republican media brought us to this place, plus billionaires BComplex Jul 6 #275

I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #49

You're going to be sick a long time -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #58

Require Civics class in high school. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #99

There are limits -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #123

Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #125

Hypothetically -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #132

When that situation arises, we can talk about it. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #135

Then it wouldn't be hypothetical, right? -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #141

You do you. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #142

I'm irrelevant -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #144

I hope they take a good look at the result of their choice creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #185

Some will -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #195

I hope so. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #196

Good analogy. I'm in 100% agreement. oasis Jul 5 #66

But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line. meadowlander Jul 5 #79

The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #90

I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #100

So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP? muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #105

I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP. Scrivener7 Jul 5 #107

"Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #112

Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering? boston bean Jul 5 #151

Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party, muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #156

Some comprehension would be very helpful here. boston bean Jul 5 #158

Some meaningful writing in the OP would have been very helpful. muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #161

Nope. 👎 boston bean Jul 5 #180

The bus, however, should be free mr715 Jul 5 #96

It is! That's the beauty! Scrivener7 Jul 5 #101

That's the best description I've seen buzzycrumbhunger Jul 5 #108

Love this analogy! mcar Jul 5 #116

Well done! A very apt analogy! Abolishinist Jul 5 #198

I voted my conscience in 2016 and 2024 mcar Jul 5 #114

And I respect your views -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #127

The people who desert us keep saying that creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #166

How can they ignore the 5 million people who are losing health care creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #171

You are indeed free to give you opinion -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #173

I've never changed a mind creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #177

Aren't you advocating for more of the same? Renew Deal Jul 5 #113

Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH RandomNumbers Jul 5 #21

If, in 2006, someone had said... -misanthroptimist Jul 5 #27

Then you don't remember it well angrychair Jul 5 #51

I didn't know about PUMAS. I learn something every day. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #159

But Clinton herself supported Obama after the primary. Very soon after, RandomNumbers Jul 6 #284

Die-hard Hillary supporters spawned their own website, too: Rob H. Jul 6 #308

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Jul 5 #4

See ya bye orangecrush Jul 5 #8

Ya think? boston bean Jul 5 #9

The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes. Melon Jul 5 #10

"Far left" Mysterian Jul 5 #124

There is a spectrum of beliefs within every party. Melon Jul 5 #129

There are no "far left" politicians in the Democratic party Mysterian Jul 5 #131

No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments. Melon Jul 5 #138

According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #140

Sorry...typing on a tablet. Melon Jul 5 #148

Thanks - that makes sense (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #150

Why do you think a democratic socialist will be the nominee in 2028? Fiendish Thingy Jul 5 #12

I am baffled by your forgetfulness of recent history. boston bean Jul 5 #14

Party unity isn't achieved by the left acquiescing to the centrists Fiendish Thingy Jul 5 #23

I don't see how affordability creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #188

I voted for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton Soul_of_Wit Jul 5 #38

Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president? muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #16

What? boston bean Jul 5 #17

A quote from the OP, which you wrote: muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #20

I haven't seen AOC tear the party down creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #190

That might be what's behind the OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #204

I think its about what is going on right here. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #205

Not just for that creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #237

That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #242

Not terribly unlikely ones though. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #245

I don't think she could win as president in 2028. She could win US Senate. LeftInTX Jul 5 #232

They said she might try that. creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #238

I recommend Xanax. mr715 Jul 5 #18

Yep, centrism works so well. Oh wait... orthoclad Jul 5 #19

How do we taste? You're the one doing the cannibalizing. mr715 Jul 5 #25

I was going to ask what wine i pair best with n/t gay texan Jul 5 #69

You are a Texan? mr715 Jul 5 #75

Yes! N/t gay texan Jul 5 #76

Chianti. AloeVera Jul 5 #117

Gracious! H2O Man Jul 5 #28

Agreed. The midterms are crucial. We need to save Democracy. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #162

Some people are addicted to the drama. Same as it ever was. demmiblue Jul 6 #262

Well said Auggie Jul 5 #30

Can you explain what "this shit" is, then? muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #34

Suspect it's Mamdani-backed candidates winning in the New York primaries meadowlander Jul 5 #39

I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #63

It's "we get smeared with the views of the most extreme amongst us" meadowlander Jul 5 #70

I agree with you. I'm hoping that someone who recommended the OP muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #78

Shit that is going on creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #194

Thank you for being specific. muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #207

Wasn't the case before creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #210

Word! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #163

Kamala is talking with Mamdani creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #191

I never said "this shit." The OP did. Auggie Jul 5 #85

You said the OP was "well said" muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #93

You are wicked sharp orangecrush Jul 5 #146

Vote on policy duckworth969 Jul 5 #32

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Jul 5 #83

Kudos to you for understanding nuance. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #164

Nope creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #214

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Jul 5 #86

And there it is. Exactly what I speak of. boston bean Jul 5 #130

Yet another OP attacking progressives angrychair Jul 5 #35

I'm a progressive and I very much agree with OP. W_HAMILTON Jul 5 #55

The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported. SSJVegeta Jul 5 #59

The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats. W_HAMILTON Jul 5 #65

"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics SSJVegeta Jul 5 #71

That's not what they want angrychair Jul 5 #126

Right on! creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #208

It is the website for you. SSJVegeta Jul 5 #56

The forum needs you. We need all voices. yellow dahlia Jul 5 #167

The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years meadowlander Jul 5 #36

THIS gay texan Jul 5 #74

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #168

Then after the primaries we should all pull together creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #216

I think of what popsdenver Jul 5 #40

I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that yellow dahlia Jul 5 #172

It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times lostincalifornia Jul 5 #48

Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation. LeftInTX Jul 5 #231

"Destroy" becomes "transform" because it sounds nicer, but it means destroy and punish, ends justify the means. betsuni Jul 6 #260

I'm not saying it's right or wrong angrychair Jul 5 #235

People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. . betsuni Jul 5 #52

Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was. meadowlander Jul 5 #61

No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s. betsuni Jul 5 #106

Right, except I was alive through all of those election cycles meadowlander Jul 5 #119

That's because its true creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #218

And Hillary as First Lady fighting for universal healthcare. boston bean Jul 5 #226

She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know. betsuni Jul 5 #241

Coalition building! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #175

Really? sheshe2 Jul 5 #192

I remember Hillary Clinton's proposals for universal healthcare. Nixie Jul 5 #102

Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test. betsuni Jul 5 #128

++++ Nixie Jul 5 #217

Yep. mcar Jul 5 #118

Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly SSJVegeta Jul 5 #53

Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Louisiana etc would like a word. BannonsLiver Jul 5 #183

Um.Most of those states were blue when Bernie was elected in 1990 SSJVegeta Jul 5 #228

IMHO, Democrats overestimate everything about the voting public:..... ColoringFool Jul 5 #57

The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat. walkingman Jul 5 #60

Word! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #134

Word! yellow dahlia Jul 5 #179

thank you - I swear these threads are going to kill us TBF Jul 5 #234

K & R SunSeeker Jul 5 #64

"Your views aren't welcome unless you suppress them." David__77 Jul 5 #72

Touch grass. Stacey Grove Jul 5 #87

Really! wolfie001 Jul 6 #298

America elected FDR to 4 terms IronLionZion Jul 5 #88

Good rant lefthandedskyhook Jul 5 #92

FIGHT OLIGARCHY usonian Jul 5 #94

my beef w them is the blatant antisemitism. mopinko Jul 5 #95

Netanyahu Gaza genocide of civilians is not acceptable DemocracyForever Jul 5 #184

propaganda. mopinko Jul 5 #193

Killing children is propaganda? DemocracyForever Jul 5 #202

Left Center Right dave99 Jul 5 #97

Where did this come from? mcar Jul 5 #121

I agree larwdem Jul 5 #104

K&R mcar Jul 5 #109

Thanks for sharing the status quo position. Renew Deal Jul 5 #111

And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms. Initech Jul 5 #120

The ONLY winning strategy is voting blue in the general. Buddyzbuddy Jul 5 #122

I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats. cksmithy Jul 5 #133

"Progressive" orangecrush Jul 5 #152

Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking muriel_volestrangler Jul 5 #153

Yes a progressive is a good thing, all I said is a Democratic socialist, cksmithy Jul 5 #200

Have to agree blubunyip Jul 6 #297

I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a Raftergirl Jul 5 #155

Love your post!!! creeksneakers2 Jul 5 #157

I remember people here saying Obama would never be elected Skittles Jul 5 #169

At my job the average age is about 27. Eko Jul 5 #170

I felt this way 25 years ago. Alice B. Jul 6 #267

+1 leftstreet Jul 6 #277

... demmiblue Jul 5 #178

The status quo isn't working DemocracyForever Jul 5 #189

If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM Tim S Jul 5 #212

"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things." Buddyzbuddy Jul 5 #230

People are eventually going to tire of MAGA policies EnergizedLib Jul 5 #219

Eventually? mr715 Jul 5 #223

And do we need Florida to control Washington? EnergizedLib Jul 5 #224

We need Florida to at least partially sink into the sea... mr715 Jul 5 #225

I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary. LeftInTX Jul 5 #227

It looks to me more and more that... WestMichRad Jul 5 #229

yup - and btw Skittles Jul 5 #239

I don't know if the Democratic Socialist brand is the right thing, but the candidates themselves are who will save us. Music Man Jul 5 #247

IMO the "socialist" label moondust Jul 6 #251

If this is about Chevalier, yeah, she has said some stupid shit in the past Quiet Em Jul 6 #257

Agree / disagree 4bonhoffer Jul 6 #263

Exactly. The fact that there is even discourse about whether or not the Democrats would be better than what we have now. madibella Jul 6 #269

The ratchet analogy is quite illustrative here Orrex Jul 6 #270

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." krawhitham Jul 6 #282

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Here are some basic facts for you indusurb Jul 6 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author nankerphelge Jul 6 #285

Sure, just hoist the white flag and accept the status quo. Scruffy1 Jul 6 #286

We lost Bernie voters to the Idiot in Chief IbogaProject Jul 6 #288

Exactly agree! SamuelAdams Jul 6 #289

"Hamas slogans"? wolfie001 Jul 6 #301

Biden had much narrower Congressional majorities in his first two years because Soul_of_Wit Jul 6 #303

Socialism represents public power. Of course Republican and centrists are going to fight this. Fuck em! Emile Jul 6 #291

My Social Security check every month is Socialism and I'm still crying about it! Medicare too! wolfie001 Jul 6 #300

NO Chi67 Jul 6 #295

..... wolfie001 Jul 6 #299

I don't understand your logic. CrimsonBight Jul 6 #306

"Joe Biden was a great president." Rob H. Jul 6 #309