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jmbar2

(8,330 posts)
33. Great article
Fri Jul 10, 2026, 12:47 PM
Jul 10
Three gauges, all climbing into the red.

1. Popular immiseration- wage growth stagnation since the '70s
2. Wealth pump
3. Elite overproduction - "society produces far more ambitious, credentialed people than it has powerful positions to give them".

History’s revolutions, his data shows, are not led by the hungry. They are led by frustrated would-be elites who harness the anger of the hungry. The men in masks on July 4th were not peasants. Neither were the leaders of any uprising in his database.


Among the societies in Turchin’s crisis database, the ones that reached the condition America is in now, the outcomes read like a coroner’s ledger. Forty percent saw their rulers assassinated. Twenty percent endured civil wars that lasted a century. Three quarters ended in revolution or civil war or both. And sixty percent of them ceased to exist entirely, dissolved from within or conquered from without. Turchin’s current description of the United States, in his clinical vocabulary, is a society in a “revolutionary situation.”


And here is the finding I need you to hold onto: the clearest case of the peaceful exit in Turchin’s entire dataset is the United States of America. The Gilded Age ran the wealth pump exactly as it runs today, complete with private armies, street bombings, and contempt between the classes. And then, across the Progressive Era and the New Deal, the pump was deliberately throttled: taxation of great fortunes, the breakup of monopolies, the legalization of unions, the great expansion of education that gave surplus elites somewhere to go. What followed was the only period in the database where inequality reversed peacefully: the postwar decades of shared prosperity. If you are over sixty, you were born inside the third ending. It is not a theory. It is your childhood.


This analysis is exactly the same as my favorite economist, Gary Stevenson. His analysis covers both the US and Britain.

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Read the whole piece, y'all. K&R ms liberty Jul 10 #1
You just gave me my first K&R! Dem_in_Nebr. Jul 10 #2
K&R again! erronis Jul 10 #9
Dayum! GPV Jul 10 #3
Damn thats a good read. N/t gay texan Jul 10 #4
Kick for later Unwind Your Mind Jul 10 #5
Highly Recommended La Coliniere Jul 10 #6
I KNEW My Allusions to 1789 Were More Truth Than.... ColoringFool Jul 10 #7
You can just use pen and paper this time BaronChocula Jul 10 #37
Ha! I very much dislike knitting! Clickety-click, clickety-click.......! ColoringFool Jul 10 #62
Random related thought BaronChocula Jul 10 #75
I ain't no Spring chicken! ColoringFool Jul 10 #80
Excusez-moi moi, mais. . . Mme. Defarge Jul 10 #68
Turchin's article needs to be read by everyone. KS Toronado Jul 10 #8
Excellent analysis dlk Jul 10 #10
Bookmarked and Recommended CoopersDad Jul 10 #11
Unfortunately angrychair Jul 10 #12
"The greatest enemy of the United States, as far as both sides of Congress are concerned, is progressives." LymphocyteLover Jul 10 #16
Congress has become a path to unlimited wealth angrychair Jul 10 #20
who is "they" that will do anything to stop them? LymphocyteLover Saturday #83
Not true relogic Jul 10 #24
Well said! DemocracyForever Jul 10 #28
Democrats are a diverse coalition party and progressives are an important part of that coalition but are not the base LymphocyteLover Saturday #81
In short relogic Sunday #85
What? yardwork Jul 10 #73
The article is very interesting Klondike Kat Jul 10 #13
Ok then dweller Jul 10 #14
Ditto! Alice B. Jul 10 #15
Sooo...like Asimov's Psychohistory progressoid Jul 10 #17
are there any fictional characters more relevant to 2026 usa rampartd Jul 10 #32
The Mule was sterile, unfortunately our mule is/was not... Wounded Bear Jul 10 #39
another asimov concept is the laws of robotics rampartd Jul 10 #52
Yes --- Monkey D Luffy Captain of the Straw Hat Pirates in One Piece JT45242 Jul 10 #50
i'll have to find that one. rampartd Jul 10 #51
Well worth everyone's time to read... Silver Gaia Jul 10 #18
Brilliant! GiqueCee Jul 10 #19
He's talking about Roosevelt's New Deal ... that's the third ending FakeNoose Jul 10 #21
Highly recommended democrank Jul 10 #22
Here's an important paragraph Bobstandard Jul 10 #23
But that makes 195% of societies' outcomes Farmer-Rick Jul 10 #69
Kick ybbor Jul 10 #25
I have always loved reading history. Snackshack Jul 10 #26
A must-read article. Talitha Jul 10 #27
Bush vs Gore started this nightmare DemocracyForever Jul 10 #29
I could not agree more. hamsterjill Jul 10 #54
Exactly! And then, within no time at all, came the Homeland Security Bill... BComplex Jul 10 #64
There's a wild card this time, and that's generative AI and the surveillance AND DISTRACTIONS it offers. highplainsdem Jul 10 #30
The writer and historian Morris Berman... keep_left Jul 10 #31
Great article jmbar2 Jul 10 #33
Thank you. This is consistent with a book I've been meaning to read, but is still far back in my schedule... NNadir Jul 10 #34
Thank you for this post Dem_in_Nebr., and the link to Substack. I also subscibed. c-rational Jul 10 #35
Bookmarking to read later. Thank you for sharing this - looks interesting. yellow dahlia Jul 10 #36
The one difference is technology and the world economy Buckeyeblue Jul 10 #38
Yes, and the impact of AI will be devastating in an Oligarchy that doesn't care if the masses suffer. Doodley Jul 10 #77
Wow, read the entire link. I see the bottom line as the powerful's continued use of the "Divide And Conquer" method. Exp Jul 10 #40
who do you think is doing the organizing? NJCher Jul 10 #47
I agree with you:: Exp Jul 10 #48
Excellent article Wild blueberry Jul 10 #41
Way worth reading. Another Jackalope Jul 10 #42
Hhmm...wonder if the writer meant 1860, not 1870. mwmisses4289 Jul 10 #43
The dates were a little odd, I agree. yardwork Saturday #82
As a person who did computer modelling of animals while in myPhD program 31j20b3 Jul 10 #44
Cliodynamics has done better while I wasn't watching 4dog Jul 10 #65
There is no scientific database that can predict history JCMach1 Jul 10 #45
Generations by Strauss and Howe Deminpenn Jul 10 #46
I've been collecting these cyclical interpreters. Have a whole file of them. NJCher Jul 10 #49
Agreed, this fits very closely with "The Fourth Turning" LR3 Jul 10 #57
The Fourth Turning is actually by at least one of "Generations" authors Deminpenn Jul 10 #63
Which is historiography and not scientific at all... JCMach1 Saturday #84
A great read revealing math based confirmation B.See Jul 10 #53
"May you live in interesting times." is all the heads up I needed. OC375 Jul 10 #55
We Missed An Off Ramp in 2008 modrepub Jul 10 #56
Bookmarked for later read. GoodRaisin Jul 10 #58
Read, kick, Rec malaise Jul 10 #59
K&R. Excellent article... renordgren Jul 10 #60
Sheesh! FINALLY got to this. calimary Jul 10 #61
I did, too, 21 years ago and I posted it on DU. Kid Berwyn Jul 10 #66
We need the return of the FDR era Clouds Passing Jul 10 #67
🤔 who was the President some thought would be the next FDR ? dweller Jul 10 #70
Biden's policies were the closest to FDR. yardwork Jul 10 #74
FORMIDABLE! Mme. Defarge Jul 10 #71
One of the best things I've read in a long time. yardwork Jul 10 #72
KNR and bookmarking. niyad Jul 10 #76
K&R red dog 1 Jul 10 #78
Karl Marx predicted this in 1867. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 10 #79
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