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Cirsium

(4,370 posts)
42. Sure
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:15 PM
11 hrs ago

I'm not saying worker hygiene is unimportant or that it has never caused contamination. I'm saying that when the outcome is a large multi-state outbreak affecting thousands of people, I would first examine the contamination pathways capable of operating at that scale: water systems, centralized processing, or other mechanisms that can distribute contamination broadly.

Food safety is fundamentally a systems problem. Modern produce production relies on sanitation controls, clean water, equipment sanitation, worker hygiene, environmental monitoring, and process controls. Failures in any of these can lead to contamination.

The key issue is scale. An individual worker with poor hygiene can contaminate some produce. But contaminated irrigation water or contaminated wash water in a centralized processing facility can distribute pathogens to thousands or even millions of servings. These are amplification mechanisms.

Epidemiological investigations have traced different outbreaks to different causes, including irrigation water, contaminated processing environments, infected food handlers, animal intrusion into fields, and other sources. The point is not that worker hygiene never matters. It clearly does. The point is that, for very large multi-state outbreaks, I would first investigate the contamination pathways capable of amplifying contamination across large volumes of food.

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Irrigating with sewer water? Bad water winter in the Sierra Nevada so water may be sparse chicoescuela Thursday #1
They have farms in Mexico and the lettuce in this case is supposedly from Mexico LeftInTX 18 hrs ago #35
Yikes..that will be the end of that farm! BlueWaveNeverEnd Thursday #2
Given they've had so many recalls in the past few years u4ic Thursday #6
It's not a farm -- they package and distribute produce, contracting with various growers. hunter Yesterday #16
Another issue is the mistreatment of migrant workers. yardwork 22 hrs ago #22
Not a farm Cirsium 20 hrs ago #27
Near Salinas Retrograde Thursday #3
Probably this farm! SheltieLover Thursday #7
have an unopened pack of taylor farms lettuce in the fridge. no news from costco about it tho msongs Thursday #4
Take it back. Show them the news article! SheltieLover Thursday #8
just noticed news article is about iceberg lettuce and costco sells romaine. msongs Thursday #10
Still if it's the same farm, I wouldn't eat it! SheltieLover Thursday #11
Taylor Farms is not a farm. Ms. Toad 20 hrs ago #29
What toilet/hand washing facitlities are (or aren't) available to farm workers in that company's fields? Attilatheblond Thursday #5
Probably none. SheltieLover Thursday #9
Just saw this post after I responded upthread. yardwork 22 hrs ago #23
Unlikely Cirsium 20 hrs ago #28
I grew up on a farm - Ms. Toad 20 hrs ago #30
OK Cirsium 20 hrs ago #32
It is only less common (not rare) Ms. Toad 19 hrs ago #33
I speak from experience Cirsium 14 hrs ago #38
As do I. Ms. Toad 14 hrs ago #39
Your objection Cirsium 14 hrs ago #40
Didn't say they were deficating in the fields. I know they generally have porta potties. But fresh water to wash hands? Attilatheblond 11 hrs ago #41
Sure Cirsium 11 hrs ago #42
One of the better things Arnold did Retrograde 19 hrs ago #34
Supposedly this lettuce was imported from Mexico LeftInTX 18 hrs ago #37
Yikes. jeffreyi Thursday #12
Don't eat them! Grow lettuce - 35 days to harvest SheltieLover Thursday #13
There is a gardening forum SheltieLover Thursday #14
And check your local community to see if there are community gardens Attilatheblond Yesterday #15
Excellent idea! SheltieLover Yesterday #17
Are farms affected by Donvict's immigration policies? malaise Yesterday #18
Could be, Malaise SheltieLover Yesterday #19
The labor contractors could be hiring less experienced workers... hunter 22 hrs ago #20
Thanks malaise 21 hrs ago #26
Growers are affected by Trump's policies in a lot of bad ways. yardwork 22 hrs ago #25
Sanitation Cirsium 20 hrs ago #31
I really wish we'd be a lot less afraid of "chemicals" and more afraid of diseases biocube 22 hrs ago #21
Everything RFK, Jr. does is the opposite of good. yardwork 22 hrs ago #24
I'm not sure how chemicals could have prevented this particular issue. StarryNite 18 hrs ago #36
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