I've kinda had it with all of the BS

[bread_and_roses]

98. That all MIGHT work - if it were not for $$ in politics

as it is, it won't. They are virtually ALL in the pockets of the 1%. No matter how "good" they seem to be. Nor, in reality, do we have time for all that "start with local" (school boards, county supervisors, etc.) to work. The 1% already have an ironclad hold on our system, and elections are practically a sham. Witness what we are likely to end up with in '16. Not to mention the elephant in the living room, that being that we are destroying ecology that has made our lives possible.

And we are long past the time to win "the hearts and minds of the targets" if by "targets" you mean the Reps themselves. They are already bought and paid for.

I do not and never will advocate violence of any sort. But it is long past time for something more effective than our sham elections, and I see no option but civil disobedience.