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joshcryer

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47. I'm saying the views aren't inconsistent with Libertarianism.

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:40 AM

Jun 2014

Not that Greenwald is a Libertarian.

Anyway, no one said Libertarians are sane. I am merely pointing out that the positions used to debunk the idea that Greenwald isn't a Libertarian, due to how convoluted Libertarianism is, aren't really positions that debunk anything. They're vague, wildly interpretable from the point of view of a free marketer.

And thus are hardly strong positions to take. If Greenwald was a socialist he'd advocate for single payer, which I don't think he has ever done. Even Ron Paul wants to keep Social Security, he just wants to phase it out. Not cut it, mind you, his phase out would not cut a dime from current recipients, but younger people could opt out, that's what he wants to do.

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Glenn Greenwald ain't no Libertarian, Part 2: Wall Street [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 OP

the critics must have gotten Tuesday night off... grasswire Jun 2014 #1

Perhaps they've realized their strategy was absurd MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #4

Exactly billhicks76 Jun 2014 #38

K & R! RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #2

Why would a Libertarian be for Wall Street? joshcryer Jun 2014 #3

Why would they want to prosecute bankers? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #5

Libertarians would prosecute bankers behind faulty loans. joshcryer Jun 2014 #14

Would Greenspan want bankers prosecuted? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #36

Greenspan shifted from being a gold standard kook. joshcryer Jun 2014 #42

If my memory serves I think he said he was shocked that CEO's would put their own rhett o rick Jun 2014 #73

Yeah, here's the video, 40 years of wrong ideology. joshcryer Jun 2014 #74

Believing that the government works hand in hand with Wall Street is merrily Jun 2014 #49

No, really? joshcryer Jun 2014 #76

That was not the point. merrily Jun 2014 #89

Yes it was. joshcryer Jun 2014 #90

You're telling me what my point was? That's always fun merrily Jun 2014 #91

He's sure not left of center, he's an opportunist who'll use anyone to make a buck... been there uponit7771 Jun 2014 #6

Wait, all people who write for a living, all political pundits eg, are OPPORTUNISTS? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #7

Strawman, no one indicated all writers were. GGs a leach, every time he and his homeboy get busted uponit7771 Jun 2014 #8

Example? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #9

Yeah, I was trying to think of a 'lie' Greenwald has told and can't think of any offhand. He HAS sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #12

It's certainly an interesting dynamic. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #16

+1. n/t scruboak Jun 2014 #54

The strawman is the one you built. A political writer is contacted by a source with material sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #10

I Can billhicks76 Jun 2014 #39

That would explain it. But you have to wonder what good it all is, it isn't working now that people sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #61

Well Said billhicks76 Jun 2014 #71

Of course, that too. I can't think of anyone I know who is buying the 'we're just collecting and sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #86

Yes Aerows Jun 2014 #64

Ah, thanks for the explanation, I was having a hard time getting answers to my questions! sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #66

I know. Aerows Jun 2014 #67

All authors promote their books, including Obama and both Clintons. merrily Jun 2014 #11

Elizabeth Warren's promoting her book MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #13

What did you think about her cheering Bill's bankruptcy actions? joshcryer Jun 2014 #18

Huh? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #20

I take it you haven't read her book? joshcryer Jun 2014 #22

Part way through the audiobook. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #24

She says nice things about HRC fighting "that awful bill." joshcryer Jun 2014 #25

Oh yeah, that. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #28

HRC did a good old Obama-style abstention. joshcryer Jun 2014 #30

Are you SERIOUSLY Aerows Jun 2014 #78

Nah, just that she's no more left than Mark Udall. joshcryer Jun 2014 #80

LMAO Aerows Jun 2014 #81

I voted for Udall. joshcryer Jun 2014 #82

I voted for President Obama twice. Aerows Jun 2014 #83

Who says you can't object to anything? joshcryer Jun 2014 #84

Good point, according to that poster EVERYONE who writes a book and promotes it, is a 'leach'. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #17

Moyers' show is one of the few on TV trying to inform Americans, rather than cheerlead merrily Jun 2014 #48

Our Government is violating our Constitutional rights, that is a fact that most on the Left sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #60

OMG Just because Glenn Greenwald isn't a big fan of Obama... Rockyj Jun 2014 #70

He posted his stances that are FAR from libertarian in nature. Here they are.. madfloridian Jun 2014 #15

Disagreement is one thing MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #19

Thanks MF, it won't make a difference for people with an agenda, for everyone else, it will and has. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #21

"Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid" joshcryer Jun 2014 #29

Oh lordy... madfloridian Jun 2014 #32

Tell me about it... joshcryer Jun 2014 #33

Um no... Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #43

What Libertarian is against prosecuting thieves? joshcryer Jun 2014 #45

Okay. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #46

I'm saying the views aren't inconsistent with Libertarianism. joshcryer Jun 2014 #47

Luckily, Libertarianism (or not) has nothing to do with whether the info disclosed is true (or not). merrily Jun 2014 #50

Are you saying the six things you posted are consistent with Libertarianism? Autumn Jun 2014 #57

From a later post, I'd say he is. But that spooky3 Jun 2014 #72

The same ones billhicks76 Jun 2014 #40

It appears the NSA protagonists AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #23

Sure is strange. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #26

Or they ran out of popcorn... AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #27

Yep. And haven't quite nailed it yet. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #44

K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #31

Brilliant Oilwellian Jun 2014 #34

Your observations are devastating. vlakitti Jun 2014 #35

As a worker they are on MY side - TBF Jun 2014 #51

They ARE on our side, they are a threat to those whose agenda is to protect the status quo who also sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #87

Goddamn kicked and fucking rec'd. Fuddnik Jun 2014 #37

1 of his smearers keep insisting that he went on a CATO tour. Yes, he went on that tour as a liberal Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #41

Never mind.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #52

Sounds pretty damning MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Jun 2014 #55

Does this make Hillary a Libertarian? Mnpaul Jun 2014 #65

Oh noes!! Ron Wyden exposed as a Libertarian as well Mnpaul Jun 2014 #69

Wow, I didn't know that the ACLU was libertarian! AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #88

Greenwald: Ron Paul most "anti-crony-capitalism" candidate ProSense Jun 2014 #56

yep they ignore all evidence because its hero worship! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #58

So. Fucking. Transparent. hootinholler Jun 2014 #59

Greenwald is a snivil libertarian. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #62

This subthread is like watching the monkey cage at the zoo. Shit is being slung. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #63

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jun 2014 #68

Let's see, if he can get his digs in, he's agin' it. ucrdem Jun 2014 #75

I'm waiting for declarations Aerows Jun 2014 #77

They're not? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #79

Moyers has gone so far left he's right! raouldukelives Jun 2014 #92

k/r - with great pleasure. 840high Jun 2014 #85