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69. Oh noes!! Ron Wyden exposed as a Libertarian as well

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:40 PM

Jun 2014

NSA Surveillance: What We Know; What to Do About It

Keynote speakers: Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), member of the Senate’s Select Committee on Intelligence; Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI); Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI). Panelists include: Siobhan Gorman, Wall Street Journal; Spencer Ackerman, The Guardian; Barton Gellman, Washington Post; Charlie Savage, New York Times; Jameel Jaffer, ACLU; Laura Donohue, Georgetown University Law Center; David Lieber, Google; David Dahl, SpiderOak; Jim Burrows, Silent Circle; Bruce Schneier, Berkman Center for Internet and Society, Harvard Law School; Jim Harper, Director of Information Policy Studies, Cato Institute; and Julian Sanchez, Research Fellow, Cato Institute.
http://www.cato.org/events/nsa-surveillance-what-we-know-what-do-about-it

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Glenn Greenwald ain't no Libertarian, Part 2: Wall Street [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 OP

the critics must have gotten Tuesday night off... grasswire Jun 2014 #1

Perhaps they've realized their strategy was absurd MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #4

Exactly billhicks76 Jun 2014 #38

K & R! RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #2

Why would a Libertarian be for Wall Street? joshcryer Jun 2014 #3

Why would they want to prosecute bankers? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #5

Libertarians would prosecute bankers behind faulty loans. joshcryer Jun 2014 #14

Would Greenspan want bankers prosecuted? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #36

Greenspan shifted from being a gold standard kook. joshcryer Jun 2014 #42

If my memory serves I think he said he was shocked that CEO's would put their own rhett o rick Jun 2014 #73

Yeah, here's the video, 40 years of wrong ideology. joshcryer Jun 2014 #74

Believing that the government works hand in hand with Wall Street is merrily Jun 2014 #49

No, really? joshcryer Jun 2014 #76

That was not the point. merrily Jun 2014 #89

Yes it was. joshcryer Jun 2014 #90

You're telling me what my point was? That's always fun merrily Jun 2014 #91

He's sure not left of center, he's an opportunist who'll use anyone to make a buck... been there uponit7771 Jun 2014 #6

Wait, all people who write for a living, all political pundits eg, are OPPORTUNISTS? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #7

Strawman, no one indicated all writers were. GGs a leach, every time he and his homeboy get busted uponit7771 Jun 2014 #8

Example? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #9

Yeah, I was trying to think of a 'lie' Greenwald has told and can't think of any offhand. He HAS sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #12

It's certainly an interesting dynamic. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #16

+1. n/t scruboak Jun 2014 #54

The strawman is the one you built. A political writer is contacted by a source with material sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #10

I Can billhicks76 Jun 2014 #39

That would explain it. But you have to wonder what good it all is, it isn't working now that people sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #61

Well Said billhicks76 Jun 2014 #71

Of course, that too. I can't think of anyone I know who is buying the 'we're just collecting and sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #86

Yes Aerows Jun 2014 #64

Ah, thanks for the explanation, I was having a hard time getting answers to my questions! sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #66

I know. Aerows Jun 2014 #67

All authors promote their books, including Obama and both Clintons. merrily Jun 2014 #11

Elizabeth Warren's promoting her book MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #13

What did you think about her cheering Bill's bankruptcy actions? joshcryer Jun 2014 #18

Huh? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #20

I take it you haven't read her book? joshcryer Jun 2014 #22

Part way through the audiobook. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #24

She says nice things about HRC fighting "that awful bill." joshcryer Jun 2014 #25

Oh yeah, that. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #28

HRC did a good old Obama-style abstention. joshcryer Jun 2014 #30

Are you SERIOUSLY Aerows Jun 2014 #78

Nah, just that she's no more left than Mark Udall. joshcryer Jun 2014 #80

LMAO Aerows Jun 2014 #81

I voted for Udall. joshcryer Jun 2014 #82

I voted for President Obama twice. Aerows Jun 2014 #83

Who says you can't object to anything? joshcryer Jun 2014 #84

Good point, according to that poster EVERYONE who writes a book and promotes it, is a 'leach'. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #17

Moyers' show is one of the few on TV trying to inform Americans, rather than cheerlead merrily Jun 2014 #48

Our Government is violating our Constitutional rights, that is a fact that most on the Left sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #60

OMG Just because Glenn Greenwald isn't a big fan of Obama... Rockyj Jun 2014 #70

He posted his stances that are FAR from libertarian in nature. Here they are.. madfloridian Jun 2014 #15

Disagreement is one thing MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #19

Thanks MF, it won't make a difference for people with an agenda, for everyone else, it will and has. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #21

"Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid" joshcryer Jun 2014 #29

Oh lordy... madfloridian Jun 2014 #32

Tell me about it... joshcryer Jun 2014 #33

Um no... Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #43

What Libertarian is against prosecuting thieves? joshcryer Jun 2014 #45

Okay. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #46

I'm saying the views aren't inconsistent with Libertarianism. joshcryer Jun 2014 #47

Luckily, Libertarianism (or not) has nothing to do with whether the info disclosed is true (or not). merrily Jun 2014 #50

Are you saying the six things you posted are consistent with Libertarianism? Autumn Jun 2014 #57

From a later post, I'd say he is. But that spooky3 Jun 2014 #72

The same ones billhicks76 Jun 2014 #40

It appears the NSA protagonists AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #23

Sure is strange. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #26

Or they ran out of popcorn... AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #27

Yep. And haven't quite nailed it yet. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #44

K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #31

Brilliant Oilwellian Jun 2014 #34

Your observations are devastating. vlakitti Jun 2014 #35

As a worker they are on MY side - TBF Jun 2014 #51

They ARE on our side, they are a threat to those whose agenda is to protect the status quo who also sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #87

Goddamn kicked and fucking rec'd. Fuddnik Jun 2014 #37

1 of his smearers keep insisting that he went on a CATO tour. Yes, he went on that tour as a liberal Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #41

Never mind.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #52

Sounds pretty damning MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Jun 2014 #55

Does this make Hillary a Libertarian? Mnpaul Jun 2014 #65

Oh noes!! Ron Wyden exposed as a Libertarian as well Mnpaul Jun 2014 #69

Wow, I didn't know that the ACLU was libertarian! AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #88

Greenwald: Ron Paul most "anti-crony-capitalism" candidate ProSense Jun 2014 #56

yep they ignore all evidence because its hero worship! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #58

So. Fucking. Transparent. hootinholler Jun 2014 #59

Greenwald is a snivil libertarian. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #62

This subthread is like watching the monkey cage at the zoo. Shit is being slung. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #63

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jun 2014 #68

Let's see, if he can get his digs in, he's agin' it. ucrdem Jun 2014 #75

I'm waiting for declarations Aerows Jun 2014 #77

They're not? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #79

Moyers has gone so far left he's right! raouldukelives Jun 2014 #92

k/r - with great pleasure. 840high Jun 2014 #85