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LiberalLovinLug

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66. thanks doc

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:31 PM

Feb 2017

Obsessing about Stein is as fruitful to Democrats as Trump obsessing about Hilary's popular vote win is to Republicans.

There will always be someone who is more left. Its a free country. If someone else like Nader or Stein thinks they can do a better job, they have the right to run for office IMO. The Green Party rose after the Democratic Party veered right and under Bill Clinton went for 'triangulation' and the third way. It was bound to happen. I'm sure the Democratic leadership even discussed this as a possible fallout at the time, but thought that the increased influence and money from the corporate class , and the public support for their more 'business friendly' approach would 'trump' any drop off with the more leftist segment of the party at the time.

What's interesting is that Stein and Nader are never criticized for their policies or general principles, only that they dared to be critical of both Republicans and Democrats. And I think her's and Ralph's criticism hurt the most because it came from the left and based more in the truth of the situation, as opposed to Republican's criticism that was all based on lies and rumour.

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Every network is showing the picture of Mike Flynn at a Putin dinner [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 OP

Every, does that include Faux? nt doc03 Feb 2017 #1

ok. i lied. i don't know about fox. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #2

If you are like me I couldn't stand to check Faux nt doc03 Feb 2017 #5

Me either Afromania Feb 2017 #33

I think that 'news' network was implied, so of course Faux doesn't fit that category. randome Feb 2017 #11

From your mouth to heavens ears (LOL) nolabels Feb 2017 #103

Fox showed the pic yesterday. I am sure they weren't happy about it but they did show it anneboleyn Feb 2017 #75

Fox doesn't count as news Blue_Roses Feb 2017 #95

They need to keep showing.. coco22 Feb 2017 #3

it's not just Trump voters who caused this mess, plenty on the left are responsible for this shit La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #4

Yah, well, those folks weren't REALLY on the left. MineralMan Feb 2017 #9

Here we go playing the blame game again... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #16

there were plenty of people discouraged from voting because they were fed a LIE La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #18

I agree, but it was still bigger than just Stein... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #22

it's always the time to fight lies spread against solid public servants like HRC La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #23

Good point, but I don't know if we ever will... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #28

I don't give a rats ass about your hero Hillary. Kentonio Feb 2017 #120

and i give even less of a shit about your hero Stein, who is not a Democrat La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #124

I don't care about Stein either. Kentonio Feb 2017 #131

It's almost always bigger than just one thing. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #25

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #29

Huh? I got the impressin that she was putting too much blame on Stein for the loss... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #30

was stein alone responsible? no. was she responsible in part? yes. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #31

I don't see where she went against this thought. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #32

Right.. and no one said it was about one thing.. But, Cha Feb 2017 #94

+1 NCTraveler Feb 2017 #106

Oh yeah.. it's obvious. Cha Feb 2017 #107

More like Putin Surrogates Mars and Minerva Feb 2017 #122

Trump surrogate. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #123

It's not too early The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #61

OK to remind them, but there will always be a few who will never be convinced, so... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #68

Well, if you include Stein backers you have to include the Bernie Bros. brush Feb 2017 #36

An informal analysis of cause and effect is not a blame game... LanternWaste Feb 2017 #72

It shouldn't be but... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #78

Jill Stein only cast one vote for herself The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #56

yes, but she sure helped spread a story to those who are susceptible to stories. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #59

True enough The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #63

i think she can be blamed for the lying and the false equivocating La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #64

Yes she can.. by her words alone.. Dangerous#1 Dangerous#2 Dangerous#3 stein on trump & Hillary Cha Feb 2017 #96

Sorry, but you'd have to be far dumber than Jill Stein The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #104

It's the crap stein pushed to her sucker fans that makes stein culpable Cha Feb 2017 #105

Oh, she's not clean in all this, certainly The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #115

Yep, I wondered about that. JHan Feb 2017 #6

did you see this tweet? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #12

lol lol ...One of the greatest tweets in the history of mankind. JHan Feb 2017 #19

do you wanna post this in the AA group? i'm sure most people have seen it La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #21

lol done. JHan Feb 2017 #24

lol... Blue_Roses Feb 2017 #97

Good. They should be showing that image. MineralMan Feb 2017 #7

the fucking huckster jill stein to be precise La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #13

That's rather mildly put... MineralMan Feb 2017 #17

I'm becoming increasingly convinced it was a two-man con job. n/t sweetloukillbot Feb 2017 #42

2 person you mean. one man and woman both controlled by Putin. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #67

Fair enough. Thanks for the correction sweetloukillbot Feb 2017 #71

Jill Stein was there too. This can't be pointed out often enough. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #8

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #14

Stein voters were like Nader voters n2doc Feb 2017 #10

it's not that simple. there were plenty of people discouraged from voting because they were fed La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #15

Nothing like the MSM repeating those lies n2doc Feb 2017 #26

i do have a vendetta against people who lied about a great candidate La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #27

Go ahead. Waste your time n2doc Feb 2017 #34

i'm sure you are accomplishing marvelous things by posting on DU La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #35

I do. The goddamn politically-corporate-conservative media's been touting the Hillary smearings BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #49

thanks doc LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #66

I criticize both for not giving any context to decisions made La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #70

You SAY you do. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #93

i disagree with the position that you can show up every four years and create radical change La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #162

Because you don't look for them you don't see them LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #163

i have a problem with lying. And it is a lie to pretend that massive social change happens overnight La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #164

You have a lot of opinions but little in the way of facts LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #165

You post on the "far left kooks" website pretty much every day - why is that? seaglass Feb 2017 #114

Because I have friends there n2doc Feb 2017 #116

Can see why you'd fit right in over there. n/t seaglass Feb 2017 #117

I love the ignore feature n/t n2doc Feb 2017 #118

Good for you. I'd rather call out those who play on both sides of the fence. You posted anti-Trump seaglass Feb 2017 #121

+1. Stein needs to be investigated. She sure doesn't mind the oligarchs R B Garr Feb 2017 #20

Saw that pic days ago Soxfan58 Feb 2017 #37

i saw it several times before the election La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #45

Amen to that last part! Soxfan58 Feb 2017 #73

I considered going green retrowire Feb 2017 #38

Hey I am sure that was a nice dinner and visit - paid for by Russia of course. jmg257 Feb 2017 #39

There's a special place in hell for liberals who didn't support Hillary IronLionZion Feb 2017 #40

I still wonder how she got money to run TV ads BainsBane Feb 2017 #41

Wonder if she'll get caught up in the net that's being cast to catch Russian enablers SticksnStones Feb 2017 #43

She certainly has enough $$$$ now, after running the recount con on the country Hekate Feb 2017 #46

scam artist. BainsBane Feb 2017 #47

exactly heaven05 Feb 2017 #44

what was that about? mehrrh Feb 2017 #48

Is she Putin/Trump's useful idiot? yes La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #51

several people on my list who will have that picture shoved in their faces. niyad Feb 2017 #50

Forgot about that, thanks for reminding me Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #52

I know. LisaM Feb 2017 #53

So we cannot say the MSM is ignoring this ailsagirl Feb 2017 #54

well they are ignoring stein, for better or worse, they didn't ignore the Flynn story La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #57

True ailsagirl Feb 2017 #69

Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #55

... La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #65

That's okay. Tragl1 Feb 2017 #74

Well, I called him out on his spreading bullshit Propaganda on this board. Cha Feb 2017 #99

stein is a fucking liar and her "intentions" are to ratfuck the US elections Cha Feb 2017 #98

I don't support Jill Stein. Tragl1 Feb 2017 #111

My point is stop bashing Hillary and President Obama with bullshit propaganda. Cha Feb 2017 #112

*facepalm* sigh.... Tragl1 Feb 2017 #113

Isn't that meat on her plate? Recursion Feb 2017 #58

isnt that her hanging out with oligarchs? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #60

Details, details Recursion Feb 2017 #62

Boom. Orrex Feb 2017 #84

No kidding workinclasszero Feb 2017 #76

wasn't getting Trump in office reward enough for her? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #77

That and the leftover millions? workinclasszero Feb 2017 #79

Yeah, this is really helpful. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #80

is any candidate perfect? no La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #82

No we don't Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #85

i think her problems were overblown while every other problem was understated both by the left La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #86

I would agree with that statement. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #87

i think their negative impact was huge, because of their hold over young voters La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #88

I think that happened to some extent. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #89

i do too and in fact had left Sanders out of this conversation till you brought him in. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #90

If I never hear the word "neo-liberal" or "corporatist" again... JHan Feb 2017 #91

I KNOW!!!!! La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #92

Yeah, I just told him they were bullshite propaganda buzzwords Cha Feb 2017 #101

+1, the false equivalency and bias of higher expectations is gob smacking uponit7771 Feb 2017 #110

You have no idea what you're talking about.. Hillary is Progressive.. Cha Feb 2017 #100

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #128

Well, Hillary has said she isn't a Progressive, so...... Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #129

She had the most progressive platform of any Dem.. so I don't want Cha Feb 2017 #132

So no response to the fact she doesn't identify as a progressive? Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #133

She is a Pragmatic Progressive and I don't know why you're trying to Cha Feb 2017 #136

She never said she was not a "progressive". What exactly did she say? George II Feb 2017 #150

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center.... I plead guilty" Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #156

This is in that article too: George II Feb 2017 #158

Doesn't mean she isn't from Mars either cause sane people aren't asking that question like rational uponit7771 Feb 2017 #108

So when she says she's not a progressive Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #130

Hillary is a Pragmatic Progressive.. she got things done I don't care what you say. Cha Feb 2017 #134

You really aren't following the sane comment? Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #143

I said no such thing. Quit trying to deflect. Hillary is a "pragmatic Progressive".. Cha Feb 2017 #146

Um your post 108 Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #148

Hmmm #108 isn't my post. Please pay attention. Pragmatic Progressives get Cha Feb 2017 #149

My bad on post 108. Was on my phone and read it wrong. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #155

Hillary is a Progressive. I don't care what you think.. she had Progressive Platform Cha Feb 2017 #166

Strawman, I said her PROGRESSIVE RECORD. uponit7771 Feb 2017 #137

You're using that word incorrectly Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #141

Red Herring, I talked about her progressive record you're talking about some other shit that has... uponit7771 Feb 2017 #142

Again, no. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #144

Because the quote has nothing to do with her .......... RECORD ........ Something the bashers never uponit7771 Feb 2017 #145

So mature to start with the "You're a right winger" crap Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #147

Really? Really? JHan Feb 2017 #151

Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #157

Here's a shocker: JHan Feb 2017 #159

That's why I voted for Clinton. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #160

I didn't agree with Sanders on many things so it was fine for me. JHan Feb 2017 #161

The Dem Platform was the most Progressive ever.. Hillary Cha Feb 2017 #135

yeap, and people who want to bash don't want to talk about her progressive record either. uponit7771 Feb 2017 #138

Yeah, all they have are bashing buzzwords. That mean absolutely nothing. Cha Feb 2017 #140

Hillary is center left and as such.. JHan Feb 2017 #153

Yeah, she's still getting propaganda labels trying to get attached Cha Feb 2017 #154

Anyone who voted for Stein should be first in line to get hurt by drumpf. lark Feb 2017 #81

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #83

Al Giordano replying to stein tweet on flynn Cha Feb 2017 #102

... La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #127

that is the weirdest thing starshine00 Feb 2017 #139

It would not surprise me if Jill Stein was cultivated as a Russian asset. Tatiana Feb 2017 #109

me too La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #126

HAHAHA JI7 Feb 2017 #119

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #125

But who wants to take about lifting sanctions Turbineguy Feb 2017 #152