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Bluetus

(1,799 posts)
8. It is progress, even if the first positive step on a 1000 mile journey
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:32 AM
Wednesday

One might have hoped that the bill would rescind ALL the tariffs in general. However, this may actually be a clever move. By focusing on Brazil, the Senate goes on record that there is no emergency state. Perhaps courts can use that as justification to negate all the other tariffs.

And don't be so sure it can't pass the House. It would require a discharge petition, but that is certainly possible with just a few GOP votes. The economy is showing signs of a major downturn. We are at the leading edge of what could be a big wave of layoffs. Amazon is laying off 2200 corporate people. That is not warehouse people replaced by automation. That indicates a real softening of their business. Other CEOs see that and will be scrambling to follow suit. These recessions always have a piling-on effect. When Republicans in the House see this in their own districts, we could easily see a dozen or more of them join a discharge petition. These are political animals. They can all see that Trump is imploding mentally and his approval is in the shitter. There comes a time where they decide that their best chances of keeping their seat require separation from Trump.

Even with the bill passing both houses, Trump probably vetoes it, but that will be highly visible and will cost Trump even more support. If his people are smart, they should be negotiating with Congress right now about how to pull back from the tariffs without being forced through legislation, Don't be surprised if Trump makes a trip to Brazil soon and announces a fantastic new deal with Brazil that allows him to remove the tariffs.

But let's assume this Senate bill is mirrored in the House and sent to Trump for his veto. This brings up a legal question I have no clue about. Normally the courts are supposed to operate on the basis of law. In this scenario, it would not be law because of Trump's veto. However, this is a case where the President has no inherent authority to unilaterally impose tariffs. This have to be ratified by Congress. However, Congress long ago passed some legislation that gives the President some power to impose tariffs in certain emergency situations, such as declared wars. Trump has done all these tariffs on the claim that we have such an emergency. If the House and Senate have passed bills saying there is no such emergency, can the courts use that in their decision, regardless of Trump's veto? After all, according to the Constitution, it is the Congress, not the President that has the power to declare war. Likewise it follows that the Congress (with or without Trump's veto) is the only body that can say there is NO PRESENT EMERGENCY requiring tariffs.

P.S. Next up, let's see the same GOP courage to pass a bill outlawing aid to Argentina.

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About time the Senate remembered THEY are the ones to set some of the rules! Attilatheblond Tuesday #1
Fingers crossed that this is the start of Congress growing a spine groundloop Tuesday #2
the house is not back in session. this is just kabuki theater. nt Javaman Wednesday #6
Nor I Septua Wednesday #7
It is progress, even if the first positive step on a 1000 mile journey Bluetus Wednesday #8
it's a start Skittles Wednesday #3
It will be timms139 Wednesday #4
Trump is retaliating Puppyjive Wednesday #5
OMG we still have a Congress? thought crime Wednesday #9
Cracks are starting to emerge in the Maga coalition. It's good news, but we've got a long way to go. Fil1957 Wednesday #10
Why just Brazil; why not ALL countries, especially Canada? Sogo Wednesday #11
Bottom feeder Mike Johnson probably won't bring it up for a vote in the House Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Wednesday #12
"The US Senate on Tuesday approved a measure that would terminate Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs on Brazilian imports, generalbetrayus Wednesday #13
Hmm the House isn't in sesson so this is bs IbogaProject Wednesday #14
Can't they do this with all the other Tariffs as well? samsingh Wednesday #15
If nothing else, it offers a unified (but qualified) voice of rebuke against Mr. trump nt Torchlight Wednesday #16
Whaaaa???? You mean, they CAN actually do something to stop AllyCat Wednesday #17
It will die because the orange turd probably won't sign it into law kimbutgar Wednesday #18
Exactly Diraven Wednesday #19
They should do this with all of them. Jbraybarten Thursday #20
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