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25. Reuters on Q3 GDP -
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 12:06 PM
Dec 23

Last edited Wed Dec 24, 2025, 05:04 AM - Edit history (2)

Some notes I made from this article - a mix of excerpts and my notes, sorry

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-economic-growth-accelerates-third-133710066.html

4.3% annualized rate. Economists polled by Reuters expected 3.3%

Consumer spending increased at a 3.5% rate. Much of ‌the consumer spending acceleration resulted from a rush to buy electric vehicles before the September 30 expiration of tax credits. Motor vehicle sales dropped in October ‍and November, while spending elsewhere was mixed.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated the shutdown could slice between 1.0 percentage point and 2.0 percentage points off GDP in the fourth quarter. (The shutdown began October 1 -- just after the end of the July 1 - Sept 30 period of this Q3 GDP report)

Surveys suggest consumer spending is being driven by higher-income households, thanks to a stock market boom that has inflated household wealth. In contrast, middle- and lower-income consumers are struggling ... K-shaped economy ...

That phenomenon (K-shaped economy) also is playing out among businesses. Economists said large corporations have mostly managed to withstand ⁠the blow from the import duties, which have increased ​costs, and are investing in artificial intelligence. (Investment outlays helps the GDP number). But smaller businesses ​are struggling with tariffs.

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Additional factors from other media reports:

. . . Exports rose at an annualized rate of 8.8%, boosting the GDP number.

. . . Federal spending also played a sizable role, a reflection of the large uptick in defense spending as well as buyouts for federal workers.
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Remember these are conditions in the 3 months ending September 30. So all the bad economic news we've been seeing in October, November, and most of December so far, are not a part of this. The government shutdown began October 1.

Imports hurt the GDP number. Someone mentioned upthread that a reduction of imports helps the GDP number, which may be one of the reasons Q3 GDP is high. I didn't see the imports factor mentioned at all in the Reuters story

Normally there are 3 estimates for each GDP report. For Q3 these estimates are normally: end of October, end of November, end of December

I don't know whether today's report is just the first of three estimates with two more to come, or what. It's "early" for the final estimate so might be one more coming (or maybe two). My thinking wondering if we will see two more estimates is that by now, they must have the information that would normally be in the second estimate, maybe even the third. Of course I'm well aware of the shutdown delays.

Most of the information for GDP estimates comes from businesses, and they didn't shut down.

A similar situation: for the famous headline "First Friday" payroll jobs numbers, there are 3 estimates, each a month apart. From what I've read, the need for 3 estimates is due to delayed reporting from surveyed businesses, not because it fundamentally takes BLS staffers 3 months to do the work.

Edited to add - There will be one more update for sure, and that's it. This is from BEA.gov which produces the GDP reports:

https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-3rd-quarter-2025-initial-estimate-and-corporate-profits

. . . Next release: January 22, 2026, at 8:30 a.m. EST Gross Domestic Product, 3rd Quarter 2025 (Updated Estimate)

BEA's schedule of news releases show no further 3rd quarter GDP reports other than the January 22 one.
https://www.bea.gov/news/schedule

Yet another ETA - I revised the above ETA with info from BEA's schedule of news releases. I also added "Additional factors from other media reports" about a substantial rise in exports and federal spending

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Cooked data? sop Dec 23 #1
Any reason to believe Trump wouldn't lie to make himself look better? highplainsdem Dec 23 #7
Perish the thought. Hugin Dec 23 #8
When has he NOT cooked the books? Hieronymus Phact Dec 23 #20
This happens when we never get the real data FakeNoose Dec 23 #2
Anybody believe that? sinkingfeeling Dec 23 #3
Hell no.................. Lovie777 Dec 23 #4
Nope LoisB Dec 23 #13
you know bdamomma Dec 23 #14
Nope Rebl2 Dec 23 #15
Let's see.... OldBaldy1701E Dec 23 #36
How much of this is based on higher cost due to tariffs? DemMedic Dec 23 #5
Much (maybe most) of personal consumption was for Healthcare underpants Dec 23 #26
Very disturbing fujiyamasan Dec 24 #38
On the one hand, I don't want the economy to collapse, True Dough Dec 23 #6
Trump fired the Commissioner of BLS because he didn't like the numbers. djacq Dec 23 #9
I believe we are in a full recession. Main Street is hurting! OrlandoDem2 Dec 23 #10
I heard Rebl2 Dec 23 #17
And what effect did this have on prices or consumer sentiment? mwb970 Dec 23 #11
Okun's law--not really a law but informative--would suggest this number is not accurate, but there are caveats. Ol Janx Spirit Dec 23 #12
don't believe it Nigrum Cattus Dec 23 #16
This has been a hard year for econ statistics due to massive policy changes. mathematic Dec 23 #18
And when the real numbers are finally released the sudden drop off will be blamed on Democrats. groundloop Dec 23 #19
Bullshit. SamKnause Dec 23 #21
Hardy Har Har tavernier Dec 23 #22
Consumer confidence (Conference Board) went down again, it was reported today progree Dec 23 #23
I smell some B$ over in the Trump Barn IbogaProject Dec 23 #24
Reuters on Q3 GDP - progree Dec 23 #25
I think it's the October one. The shutdown delayed a lot of reports / data collection. Calista241 Dec 23 #27
I think the number is bogus. OLDMDDEM Dec 23 #28
LOL LOL LOL bucolic_frolic Dec 23 #29
It seems to me that there are too separate issues here, and that we shouldn't conflate them. markodochartaigh Dec 23 #30
My wallet says it didn't grow 4.3%, not for me at least. OC375 Dec 23 #31
Did CNBC fact check this stuff you know go over to the BLS to see what they have to say......... turbinetree Dec 23 #32
Fake stats Ritabert Dec 23 #33
Data are legit but extremely misleading (and almost certainly skewed because of the shutdown) Wiz Imp Dec 23 #34
I do not trust any numbers from the trump assholes LetMyPeopleVote Dec 23 #35
chocolate rations are up! SonOfNebanaube Dec 23 #37
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