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17. Trump: "I want my new Fed Chairman to lower Interest Rates if the Market is doing well, not destroy the Market"
Wed Dec 24, 2025, 10:54 AM
Dec 24

I thought the above was the nuttiest thing I read today, but Lunatic saying "all of us – are going to earn 4.3% more money." beats that.

First the commentators on the GDP report have pretty much all pointed out the K-shaped economy -- the higher income people are doing well with the stock market gains and spending plentifully, while the rest of us are struggling with higher prices and rising unemployment.

That phenomenon (K-shaped economy) also is playing out among businesses. Economists said large corporations have mostly managed to withstand ⁠the blow from the import duties, which have increased ​costs, and are investing in artificial intelligence. (Investment outlays helps the GDP number whether or not they are prudent). But smaller businesses ​are struggling with tariffs.

It's also special factors like higher federal spending (including buyout offers to federal workers) and higher defense spending. Also elevated electric vehicle spending in advance of the ending of EV tax credits on Sept 30.

The GDP report also covers the period July 1 - September 30 - just *BEFORE* the government shutdown. So the report doesn't cover the shutdown (which began October 1) or all the bad news we heard in October or November or December so far -- that will hit the 4th quarter report coming out in late January.

Reuters: The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated the shutdown could slice between 1.0 percentage point and 2.0 percentage points off GDP in the fourth quarter.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-economic-growth-accelerates-third-133710066.html

And the 4th quarter ends in a week. Then it will be challenging economically going forward with extended ACA supplements expiring in a week.
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There will be another estimate of Q3 GDP coming out January 22, so yesterday's report isn't the final word.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-3rd-quarter-2025-initial-estimate-and-corporate-profits

. . . Next release: January 22, 2026, at 8:30 a.m. EST Gross Domestic Product, 3rd Quarter 2025 (Updated Estimate)

BEA's schedule of news releases show no further 3rd quarter GDP reports other than the January 22 one.
https://www.bea.gov/news/schedule

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More on the Trump thing --
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-chair-lower-rates-market-183423701.html
No paywall on this Yahoo - hosted article

Fed Should Lower Rates If the Market Does Well, Trump Says, Bloomberg, 12/23/25

“I want my new Fed Chairman to lower Interest Rates if the Market is doing well, not destroy the Market for no reason whatsoever,” Trump said in a social media post Tuesday. “Anybody that disagrees with me will never be the Fed Chairman!”

“In the old days, when there was good news, the Market went up,” Trump wrote. “Nowadays, when there is good news, the Market goes down, because everybody thinks that Interest Rates will be immediately lifted to take care of ‘potential’ Inflation.”
(bolding added)
Nobody except you and maybe Besserk and Lunatick (the secretaries of the Treasury and Commerce departments respectively)

Fact check about the last sentence in the excerpt: There have been no rate increases in 2025, instead there have been 3 rate cuts, beginning with the one 9/17.

And there have been 4 rate cuts in the latter half of 2024, including one that was 0.50% instead of the usual 0.25%.

There have been no rate increases since July 2023, 2 1/2 years ago.

And the market has been hardly "destroyed" by "TOO LATE POWELL" - the S&P 500 hit a new all-time-high today.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/111699775

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That's the stupidest thing I've heard in quite a while, no doubt Trump will share it in ALL CAPS. sop Dec 24 #1
That'll be the new MAGat "talking point" BumRushDaShow Dec 24 #2
Hold his beer. Nutlick math. 700% underpants Dec 24 #4
They have invented the new Maga math... ananda Dec 24 #19
Have to Rebl2 Dec 24 #13
Homeschooling works good. travelingthrulife Dec 24 #14
Besides the ubiquitous "that's not how any of this works".... paleotn Dec 24 #3
And we all will grow 4.3% taller! Someone needs to explain this to him. tblue37 Dec 24 #5
He doesnt need it explained. He is fully aware johnnyfins Dec 24 #7
While I Support That Opinion... ProfessorGAC Dec 25 #27
Compulsive liar and idiot. What a combination. littlemissmartypants Dec 24 #6
Uh-huh. "The check is in the mail." Wednesdays Dec 24 #8
In case anyone was wondering how he got the name Turbineguy Dec 24 #9
Republicans never could do math. That's why every time they are in power.. CousinIT Dec 24 #10
Oh, good! lonely bird Dec 24 #11
4.3% is actually the amount of grey matter he uses. twodogsbarking Dec 24 #12
Thing is, he knows what he is saying is a lie. Trump could say and believe it. Wiz Imp Dec 24 #15
Where the fuck are my DOGE rebate, SS addition, and Tariff rebate checks???? ProudMNDemocrat Dec 24 #16
Trump: "I want my new Fed Chairman to lower Interest Rates if the Market is doing well, not destroy the Market" progree Dec 24 #17
Then you'll be raising Social Security 4.3% immediately, correct? CanonRay Dec 24 #18
Anyone believing we had 4.3% growth is delusional relayerbob Dec 24 #20
Oh another thing, according to the Commerce Dept, the economy did NOT grow by 4.3% in the 3rd quarter progree Dec 24 #21
Brilliant Lulu KC Dec 24 #22
Where is Rod Serling when you need him? BumRushDaShow Dec 24 #23
Ain't that the truth! n/t Lulu KC Dec 24 #24
BS ... that's all. KPN Dec 24 #25
Generally speaking, we want a Commerce Secretary who understands math. yardwork Dec 24 #26
Simple to spout bullshit when your a Billionaire Bengus81 Dec 25 #28
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