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Orrex

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29. We need to be careful not to conflate Jews as a people with the state of Israel
Sun May 17, 2026, 12:52 PM
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Last edited Sun May 17, 2026, 10:24 PM - Edit history (1)

In the current discussion, the question is why people are blind to Israel's terrorism, so we can exclude literature and media from before Israeli statehood. Not because Jews weren't persecuted; they absolutely have been--for centuries, even today. But Israel's crimes against humanity can't diminished by invoking Shylock from 400 years ago.

Now that I think of it, Watto in The Phantom Menace was criticized alternately as a stereotype of Jews and of Arabs, so there's that.

I'd also agree that Munich isn't a great example of Israelis as villains, not least because I have a hard time faulting them.

I appreciate the list that you provided. I guess the corresponding question should be "how often are Muslims portrayed as terrorists in film and television?"

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Lucky enough to meet a couple of multigraincracker Sunday #1
Ditto malaise Sunday #2
The propaganda portrays Israel is "the good guys" and Muslims as "the bad guys" Orrex Sunday #3
Yes Israel has controlled the narrative here and elsewhere for a long time FakeNoose Sunday #8
Do you know any Jewish people? yardwork Sunday #11
Yes we have many Jewish groups in Pittsburgh and I have several friends and neighbors of the Jewish faith FakeNoose Sunday #36
So you are accusing your Jewish friends and neighbors of the following? yardwork Sunday #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Biophilic Sunday #47
Where are you seeing that? yardwork Sunday #9
Just out of curiosity... Orrex Sunday #21
Good question. I rarely use the AI results, but here goes... yardwork Sunday #23
We need to be careful not to conflate Jews as a people with the state of Israel Orrex Sunday #29
I was responding to your post above. yardwork Sunday #31
Ah yes--you did respond. My bad. Orrex Sunday #35
You have not. yardwork Sunday #37
I'm sorry that you don't care to engage with the subject seriously Orrex Sunday #38
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Oh staaahp, you relentless flirt! Orrex 21 hrs ago #64
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I admire the courage of your convictions, willing to stand by your totally level-headed statements Orrex 19 hrs ago #67
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Thank you and an excellent response. Biophilic Sunday #39
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And a lovely good morning to you as well? Orrex 21 hrs ago #63
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Muslims: Bad press since The Crusades no_hypocrisy Sunday #4
Well, those and that little "conversion by the sword" thing. ColoringFool Sunday #5
What gets overlooked Old Crank Sunday #6
The Christian Crusaders butchered both Jews and Muslims. yardwork Sunday #12
And a lot of other Christians Old Crank Sunday #58
Not to mention a lot of women, pagans, so-called witches. yardwork 21 hrs ago #62
THIS!!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat Sunday #13
"Conversion by the sword" is a misconception/trope used against Muslims since the Middle Ages. AloeVera Sunday #16
Islamic people developed most of what we think of as modern advances. yardwork Sunday #22
I believe there is still a tremendous amount of guilt about what happened in WWII. Biophilic Sunday #7
it didnt start w ww2. mopinko Sunday #19
What didn't start with WWII? Biophilic Sunday #24
attacks on jews. mopinko Sunday #28
It's interesting, isn't it. yardwork Sunday #32
yup. mopinko Sunday #33
Oh, good grief, no. Like a couple of millennium. Biophilic Sunday #49
it mystifies me, too. mopinko Sunday #52
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Most of what you've written here is inaccurate. yardwork Sunday #25
As I stated in my post these are the myths I grew up with. Myths! Not truths. Biophilic Sunday #43
So you don't agree with what you wrote above? yardwork Sunday #45
Many decades of conditioning, propaganda and manipulation have brought us here. OGBuzz Sunday #10
You can say that again. yardwork Sunday #14
You're saying it becase you imagine that it serves your agenda. Orrex Sunday #41
Seems like every country needs to have a focal point to hate BeneteauBum Sunday #15
Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors. yardwork Sunday #17
Basically I agree with you BeneteauBum Sunday #40
I agree with this post. yardwork Sunday #46
For them, the end justifies the means. AloeVera Sunday #18
Are you quoting Hamas? yardwork Sunday #20
You can't just "disagree" with a genocide. AloeVera Sunday #42
I think that you and I have different personalities. yardwork Sunday #48
Don't be too sure of that! AloeVera Sunday #51
Not everyone BlueWaveNeverEnd Sunday #26
Its also American terrorism SSJVegeta Sunday #27
Bigotry, willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, disingenuousness, motivated reasoning, etc. RockRaven Sunday #30
"Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors." J_William_Ryan Sunday #34
What do you think would be an appropriate way TBF Sunday #50
Before the massacre, thousands of Palestinians were being held w/o charges, questionseverything Sunday #54
Nice evasion but I'm curious - who started the fire? TBF Sunday #55
so u believe everything u read in the nyt now? mopinko Sunday #56
There are pictures, there's victim testimony, there's ashamed Isreal guards testimony questionseverything Sunday #57
Nothing will be enough. AloeVera Sunday #59
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