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AloeVera

(4,502 posts)
42. You can't just "disagree" with a genocide.
Sun May 17, 2026, 01:27 PM
May 17

You must condemn. At the very least.

You seem to see but you don't "see".

..current Israeli government's approach, which appears to be to eradicate everybody currently living in the Gaza Strip and West Bank and replace them with Jewish settlers."

That IS GENOCIDE.

But you then backtrack and call into question what your own words have just described.

Israel does not have a constitution. Respected Holocaust historian and genocide scholar Omer Bartov sees that as the problem. A constitution may have allowed Israel to become a "normal state" that provides equality to all its citizens, define its borders and acknowledge and redress the Nakba. But instead of remedying its foundational violence, modern Israel has become increasingly militaristic, expansionist, racist, and now genocidal. Gideon Levy, a thorn in the side of Netanyahu, goes even further.

You have seen this but others may find it enlightening.
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/5/15/omer_bartov_gideon_levy_israel_zionism

We could argue all day about whether Hamas is genocidal or not, it's purely theoretical (and flimsily based on one quote from the Koran, which was omitted in its revised charter as you know), unlike the real-life genocide. I find it very odd that the latter can be met with indifference while the former is brandished as some sort of justification for it.

Your last paragraph is especially heartbreaking. Such is the power of sustained, relentless propaganda on behalf of Israel, that the existence of the propaganda itself is denied.

It makes me want to cry. I truly feel a deep sadness. We are allies in everything else, and yet even now, with all the evidence before your eyes, you will not "see".

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Lucky enough to meet a couple of multigraincracker May 17 #1
Ditto malaise May 17 #2
The propaganda portrays Israel is "the good guys" and Muslims as "the bad guys" Orrex May 17 #3
Yes Israel has controlled the narrative here and elsewhere for a long time FakeNoose May 17 #8
Do you know any Jewish people? yardwork May 17 #11
Yes we have many Jewish groups in Pittsburgh and I have several friends and neighbors of the Jewish faith FakeNoose May 17 #36
So you are accusing your Jewish friends and neighbors of the following? yardwork May 17 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Biophilic May 17 #47
Where are you seeing that? yardwork May 17 #9
Just out of curiosity... Orrex May 17 #21
Good question. I rarely use the AI results, but here goes... yardwork May 17 #23
We need to be careful not to conflate Jews as a people with the state of Israel Orrex May 17 #29
I was responding to your post above. yardwork May 17 #31
Ah yes--you did respond. My bad. Orrex May 17 #35
You have not. yardwork May 17 #37
I'm sorry that you don't care to engage with the subject seriously Orrex May 17 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 18 #61
Oh staaahp, you relentless flirt! Orrex May 18 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 18 #65
I admire the courage of your convictions, willing to stand by your totally level-headed statements Orrex May 18 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 18 #68
Thank you and an excellent response. Biophilic May 17 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 18 #60
And a lovely good morning to you as well? Orrex May 18 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 18 #66
Muslims: Bad press since The Crusades no_hypocrisy May 17 #4
Well, those and that little "conversion by the sword" thing. ColoringFool May 17 #5
What gets overlooked Old Crank May 17 #6
The Christian Crusaders butchered both Jews and Muslims. yardwork May 17 #12
And a lot of other Christians Old Crank May 17 #58
Not to mention a lot of women, pagans, so-called witches. yardwork May 18 #62
THIS!!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat May 17 #13
"Conversion by the sword" is a misconception/trope used against Muslims since the Middle Ages. AloeVera May 17 #16
Islamic people developed most of what we think of as modern advances. yardwork May 17 #22
I believe there is still a tremendous amount of guilt about what happened in WWII. Biophilic May 17 #7
it didnt start w ww2. mopinko May 17 #19
What didn't start with WWII? Biophilic May 17 #24
attacks on jews. mopinko May 17 #28
It's interesting, isn't it. yardwork May 17 #32
yup. mopinko May 17 #33
Oh, good grief, no. Like a couple of millennium. Biophilic May 17 #49
it mystifies me, too. mopinko May 17 #52
All I can do is agree with you. It's honestly a mystery. And Christianity never looks good. Biophilic May 17 #53
Most of what you've written here is inaccurate. yardwork May 17 #25
As I stated in my post these are the myths I grew up with. Myths! Not truths. Biophilic May 17 #43
So you don't agree with what you wrote above? yardwork May 17 #45
Many decades of conditioning, propaganda and manipulation have brought us here. OGBuzz May 17 #10
You can say that again. yardwork May 17 #14
You're saying it becase you imagine that it serves your agenda. Orrex May 17 #41
Seems like every country needs to have a focal point to hate BeneteauBum May 17 #15
Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors. yardwork May 17 #17
Basically I agree with you BeneteauBum May 17 #40
I agree with this post. yardwork May 17 #46
For them, the end justifies the means. AloeVera May 17 #18
Are you quoting Hamas? yardwork May 17 #20
You can't just "disagree" with a genocide. AloeVera May 17 #42
I think that you and I have different personalities. yardwork May 17 #48
Don't be too sure of that! AloeVera May 17 #51
Not everyone BlueWaveNeverEnd May 17 #26
Its also American terrorism SSJVegeta May 17 #27
Bigotry, willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, disingenuousness, motivated reasoning, etc. RockRaven May 17 #30
"Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors." J_William_Ryan May 17 #34
What do you think would be an appropriate way TBF May 17 #50
Before the massacre, thousands of Palestinians were being held w/o charges, questionseverything May 17 #54
Nice evasion but I'm curious - who started the fire? TBF May 17 #55
so u believe everything u read in the nyt now? mopinko May 17 #56
There are pictures, there's victim testimony, there's ashamed Isreal guards testimony questionseverything May 17 #57
Nothing will be enough. AloeVera May 17 #59
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