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In reply to the discussion: September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor [View all]William Seger
(11,728 posts)> So where are the photos of the landing gear strut that supposedly punched the hole?
I posted a photo with the strut outlined.
> Even one would help.
Apparently not.
> Why didn't the other landing gear struts punch other holes?
Uh, maybe because they got stopped inside the building, as shown in this photo? Are you saying that it's a mystery to you how a strut could punch that hole, but if it did, then it's a mystery to you why this other one didn't? You really love mysteries, dontcha.
> The landing gear strut is one of a few theories. But there's no proof for any of these kooky made up "thought" experiments.
The wider picture I posted seems to show a large piece of engine, so that is another possibility, but if you think that mass times velocity is "a kooky made up 'thought' experiment" then you're not likely to solve any mysteries involving physics. Are you suggesting that if nobody can prove which piece of heavy debris punched that hole, then it's rational to conclude that no plane hit the Pentagon? I'd be more careful about calling other theories "kooky."
> Are you saying that the Pentagon did not have the capability to shoot down aircraft that posed a threat? The centre of the "Worlds Only Superpower"? After 5 decades of a "cold war" where students were told to hide under desks in case of a nuclear attack?
Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying: There is no evidence or credible testimony from anyone who would know that there were anti-aircraft missiles or guns at the Pentagon. In fact, there are explicit denials, but my own opinion is based on the Google Earth historical photos taken before 9/11 which don't show any such thing. As for your picture, the link it comes from says, "Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld ordered the launchers placed around Washignton (sic) as a 'prudent precaution' on the first anniversary of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon." That was an odd thing to do if they were already there, but why are you trying to deceive us by posting a picture of one of those launchers?
> Anyone that believes anything uttered from Dick Cheney's mouth should be embarrassed and ashamed
I didn't ask you to believe Cheney, nor would I. If you'll look back, what I actually said was about "what Norman Mineta himself believed when he described Cheney's response to the 'young man' and what others who were actually there reported." It's pretty clear (and funny) what criteria "truthers" use to decide what to believe and what to reject about Mineta's testimony.
> We will keep asking questions and doing things like phoning C-SPAN and there isn't anything at all anyone can do to stop us.
LOL, no doubt about that, since facts and logic don't seem to have any effect, but the question is, if you keep asking questions like those here and then ignoring the answers, why should anyone take you seriously?
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