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Creative Speculation

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William Seger

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7. Why do you ask us to shovel through this again?
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:32 PM
Mar 2014

In the first place, no, the buildings were not "designed to withstand alrline jet impacts." They were designed to withstand the expected "live" loading on the floors and the expected wind loading in Manhattan. However, that design was then subjected to an analysis which took an educated guess at the structural damage that would be done by an airliner impact and analyzed the behavior of the remaining structure. That analysis concluded that the building should remain standing, and in fact that's exactly what happened, twice, on 9/11. Until the fires. The designers' analysis didn't include any fire effects because, back then, there was no way to quantitatively analyze fire damage. The designers didn't have the hardware or the software to run the kind of fire simulations that NIST ran (and which "truthers" dismiss, anyway), or the ability to feed such analysis into a structural simulation. For fireproofing, the designers just followed the prevailing building codes; there was no extra fireproofing or any measures taken to prevent airliner damage to fireproofing.

Is this the first time you've heard this, or just the latest time that you've dismissed it?

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Robert McCoy [View all] wildbilln864 Mar 2014 OP
Excellent. nationalize the fed Mar 2014 #1
great stuff, thanks for posting! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #2
How is a self-cleaning oven relevant to WTC7's collapse? AZCat Mar 2014 #3
Another clueless architect doesn't understand why the towers fell? Huh. William Seger Mar 2014 #4
I think I'd... wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #5
But then you need a different excuse to ignore Bazant William Seger Mar 2014 #9
bazant already .... wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #10
... oh, and a fired physics professor William Seger Mar 2014 #13
more anti-truth nonsense! wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #14
Oh, I "grasp conservation of momentum" well enough William Seger Mar 2014 #17
more nonsense! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #18
almost 2000 Architects & engineers! wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #6
Why do you ask us to shovel through this again? William Seger Mar 2014 #7
bull wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #8
I think I'll "go with" the guy who did the study William Seger Mar 2014 #11
this Les Robertson? wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #12
It sounds like he was "admitting" that he saw something William Seger Mar 2014 #15
they did recover some... wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #16
You have already admitted William Seger Mar 2014 #19
wrong! wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #20
Actually, you can't even prove that William Seger Mar 2014 #21
we know your schtick william! wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #22
And yet, this "we" you're referring to William Seger Mar 2014 #23
yadayada, blah blah! wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #24
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