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25. I had a little debate with a health professor a few years back

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 08:14 PM

Feb 2012

She was a younger, 20-something woman and I was in my early 40s. So we are of different generations. She was adamant that even if a woman goes to a frat party, gets totally smashed and is date-raped (or aquaintance-raped), then it's totally the guy's fault.

My deal is this: I am not really concerned about "fault." Would you rather get raped or be right? I would rather teach women ways in which rape is MORE LIKELY to occur, so they may PROTECT themselves. This does NOT let rapists off the hook or suggest that in any way, shape or form, women would EVER deserve to be raped.

If you drink to excess (maybe at all, given the drugs which can easily be slipped into drinks), you make yourself more vulnerable. If you go off to a guy's dorm room, same thing.

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Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey [View all] redqueen Feb 2012 OP

No/Stop should mean No/Stop to BOTH men and women. It doesn't always, but a preponderance of power patrice Feb 2012 #1

It sounds like the results of a poll in a backward male dominated third world country where women libinnyandia Feb 2012 #2

And how do these women think one SHOULD end a date that is going bad? saras Feb 2012 #3

This is Sad. Amazing how we have a blame the victim society. Justice wanted Feb 2012 #4

This too is human nature. WingDinger Feb 2012 #5

those survery results are horrifying. after all these decades of trying to talk, to instruct, about niyad Feb 2012 #6

I doubt the results would be much different among DUers. nt redqueen Feb 2012 #7

a truly sad thing niyad Feb 2012 #8

I believe it would probably be worse here, given our country's backwards attitudes. chrisa Feb 2012 #48

a third of respondants women who flirt are partially responsible for being raped. 2% of rape false seabeyond Feb 2012 #9

"Only 2% of accused rapists are convicted" Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #14

not to mention the fact a woman can be raped more than once. i was with three friends. 3 rapes seabeyond Feb 2012 #15

Yup, it happens a hell of a lot more then reported. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #16

Needs more data One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #17

walk downtown, go to college, work.... regardless of social economic environment seabeyond Feb 2012 #18

Maybe, but I would like to see the data say that One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #23

I think you are assuming iverglas Feb 2012 #24

the point being, any person does not live all of life in one cloistured little safe environment seabeyond Feb 2012 #26

Guess my life experience is a bit different One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #30

and... and for me, as a woman, with friends, mother, nieces, aunts.... that really does not matter seabeyond Feb 2012 #31

that's all lots of fun iverglas Feb 2012 #32

it is interesting and noted, how i said i read 80% and the poster pulls out 20% seabeyond Feb 2012 #33

Mary Koss has decent data but it's old One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #35

maybe what you could help us with iverglas Feb 2012 #36

Point is Personal Experiences are Data not Statistics One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #37

well you've missed my points iverglas Feb 2012 #40

i will just start the first time i remember. 12, in the lunch line the boy behind me seabeyond Feb 2012 #38

And has that problem been fixed? One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #39

let's look at the topic of this thread iverglas Feb 2012 #41

Post 17 One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #43

How does this relate to the topic of blaming women for being raped? nt redqueen Feb 2012 #44

there's just something about that RAINN iverglas Feb 2012 #45

the discussion is.... the large portion of our female population being harrassed, assaulted and seabeyond Feb 2012 #42

I will back you up on knowing very few women Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #46

*Awful.* BlueIris Feb 2012 #10

The defense of the patriarchy is automatic, and not subject to analysis. redqueen Feb 2012 #11

The patriarchy must be very pleased with this. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #12

Gender difference is most interesting One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #13

we do this to psychologically protect ourselves. as long as we can blame other women for their rape La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #19

Just like how thinking that if you pee on your rapist, he'll go away. Neoma Feb 2012 #20

well that one is more intentional, i doubt these women realize what they are doing La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #21

Some do... Neoma Feb 2012 #22

I had a little debate with a health professor a few years back I am the OP Feb 2012 #25

yes, i teach both my boys and girls ways to be safe. an yes, the younger professor is right seabeyond Feb 2012 #27

not being concerned about fault ... iverglas Feb 2012 #34

To be fair, it is totally the guy's fault. nt Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #47

Wait, is this the same study Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #28

your last sentence made me laugh. losts of serious of late.... in these threads. lots of posters seabeyond Feb 2012 #29