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NYC_SKP

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Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:39 AM Sep 2013

Question related to use of the terms "squaw" and "pale face": [View all]

Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:59 PM - Edit history (1)

I was just on a jury for an alert on this reply in a thread:

Iam married to a tuscarora squaw for 28 years.married her because she was then and is now prettier in mind and in body than any pale face lady I've ever met.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023675850#post13


I'm really interested in different cultures and I know that a compliment in one can be an insult in another, so I voted not to hide the reply but now I'm curious. Does anyone have experience with usage of these terms and an opinion of whether or not they are used innocently, as insults, or other opinions?


I was born in parts of the country near Tuscarora and I travel extensively, and I'm always charmed by people I meet, including this summer some members of the Jemez Pueblo near Albuquerque on my way to Farmington, with a stop in Chaco Canyon (how about that?).

My question is this: Your reply was alerted upon for your use of the term "squaw" and one of the jurors found your use of the term "pale face" to be offensive, too.

I'm of a different, more tolerant mind, and willing to imagine that different cultures have different standards, and that we need to be respectful and give the benefit of the doubt.

It's quite possible that "squaw" is, in your circles, not an insult and might even be a term of endearment.

It's also possible that "pale face" is so commonly used that it doesn't offend anyone in your circles, including caucasians.

If you have time, please discuss use of these words with me, feel free to send a PM if you like, or even post in our Native American forum, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1191

Thanks in advance.


ON EDIT: I found a discussion about the word "squaw" at another site: http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/squaw.html

I'm not surprised that some seem to want to reclaim the word in it's original context and not let the people who came here tell them what is and is not acceptable when speaking amongst themselves.

But I'm not certain of any of this.

Curiously,

NYC_SKP

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I think that calling anyone, especially a indigeous American, a "squaw" is derogatory randr Sep 2013 #1
I found an interesting discussion about the word at another site. Will add link to OP. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3
Absolutely no personal experience but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #2
I'm a white person, SheilaT Sep 2013 #4
I think it's a fascinating question. Wouldn't it be particularly sad if... NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #5
Very good thread. Downwinder Sep 2013 #6
I thought about that too! NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #7
I have relatives on Kauai. Downwinder Sep 2013 #10
"Hoale" strikes me as either SheilaT Sep 2013 #13
It sparked a killing at a Waikiki McDonald's. Downwinder Sep 2013 #14
Not the best neighborhood, not representative of most of the population, right? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #17
You are not familiar with the Deedy trial? Downwinder Sep 2013 #18
I wasn't until now. Looks like a very senseless shooting. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #19
an exellent guess Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #8
Thank you very much for checking in on the question. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #9
I thank you Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #11
Most likely it had no negative connotation in SheilaT Sep 2013 #12
ojibwe here. unionthug777 Sep 2013 #15
Thanks! NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #16
It is an insult! CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #20
I read about the name change. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #21
I knew about this issue CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #22
Governor Janet Napolitano in 2003: NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #23
I have a friend that is Navajo CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #24
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