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TlalocW

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5. If the laws are just without God
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:20 AM
Sep 2019

Then God is not needed. If not, then whatever laws God issues are just and to be a Christian you must follow them - even if you disagree with them. If God somehow made it 100% known that to be a Christian, you have to punt a kitten everyday, you, as a Christian, must do so, whether you find it reprehensible or not. In the latter case, you are exactly like the dog with the duck in his mouth. An amoral agent who only follow rules so he won't get booped on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper.

There aren't objective-by-themselves morals. There are subjective systems of morality, and the morality in them would be objective in that system. One example would be a system that placed well-being as the goal of morality. I don't like having X done to me by other people so I (and others) shouldn't be able to do X to other people, where X is murder, steal from, etc. etc. etc. This is a very simplistic system and would need more to shore it up so we don't get people saying, "I don't like hearing Nickelback so others shouldn't hear Nickelback," but it would form a basis for a system of morality better than anything in any holy book.

TlalocW

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"When God is not around" makes no sense. Croney Sep 2019 #1
What if God was one of us? qazplm135 Sep 2019 #3
replace 'not around' with 'doesn't exist and never did'. Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #13
That question Newest Reality Sep 2019 #2
Who said God's laws were just? Cartoonist Sep 2019 #4
And you may be the most righteous person in the world, but SCantiGOP Sep 2019 #8
If the laws are just without God TlalocW Sep 2019 #5
Laws, regardless of origin, are a means of control Major Nikon Sep 2019 #7
Are you aware that your two? arguments contradict themselves? guillaumeb Sep 2019 #18
... Major Nikon Sep 2019 #6
The 'Laws' were never god's in the first place... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #9
There is a place/dimension called the world of the Source. The Source never leaves its Karadeniz Sep 2019 #10
Even harder to believe Cartoonist Sep 2019 #11
"A soul can approach according to its composition (energy, frequency) and no closer." Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #12
This should to be good. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #15
Yes, very hard to believe edhopper Sep 2019 #14
At least the dogs have very good reasons to believe in Dave. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #16
Good Two-Legs Who Feeds. Iggo Sep 2019 #19
Do you only obey the law when you are being observed? eom guillaumeb Sep 2019 #17
It's not a simple binary condition... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #20
It was a binary question. eom guillaumeb Sep 2019 #21
Yes it was, and just as... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #22
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