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noamnety

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26. I don't want to derail your post in the men's group

Reply to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:14 PM

Jan 2014

but I would encourage you, if you are going to enter into debates about porn, to stick to the issue instead of the ad hominem guilt by association tactics. Your post in the other forum didn't say you would stop those, it instead implies you would use them in a thinly veiled way. Not "You are like Jerry Fallwell" but "you are agreeing with Jerry Fallwell, you sure you want to do that?"

No matter how you try to disguise it, it's still a logical fallacy. Yes, we hate Jerry Fallwell. I also hate Ron Paul and think he is a racist pig. Yet he opposed the Iraq War, and I'm not going to support bombing innocent people just because someone I despise and disagree with on most issues opposes bombing them.

Next time you are tempted to lump feminists who oppose the porn industry in with Jerry Fallwell, please take a moment to remind yourself that you are similarly aligned with Ron Paul, and therefore maybe you'd like to rethink your opposition to the Iraq War. Is that fair?

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Hey "Radical" Feminists [View all] arely staircase Jan 2014 OP

Would you mind clarifying what you are asking forgiveness for? BainsBane Jan 2014 #1

being a smartass instead of trying to reach an understanding arely staircase Jan 2014 #2

I appreciate your apology BainsBane Jan 2014 #4

right wing and left wing opponents of pornography do indeed oppeose it for different reasons arely staircase Jan 2014 #6

Rec for "yes means yes" MadrasT Jan 2014 #3

thank you and yes the porn thing is complicated arely staircase Jan 2014 #5

I haven't seen anyone say that porn should be banned. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #18

+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #37

Thanks for this. redqueen Jan 2014 #7

viva leticia arely staircase Jan 2014 #8

There's a pretty well defined meaning behind "rape culture." Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #9

no there really isnt arely staircase Jan 2014 #10

I'm not super into the whole "agree to disagree" theme on this subject. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #11

it is a concept upon which arely staircase Jan 2014 #12

You do a lot of academic level reading in feminist theory? Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #13

oh mother arely staircase Jan 2014 #14

No agreement at all? Really? redqueen Jan 2014 #15

That is true for virtually everything BainsBane Jan 2014 #16

Disagreement between people on the same side is ultimately healthy cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #17

re: "yes means yes" redqueen Jan 2014 #21

I don't recognize cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #23

Read them and cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #28

I'm so glad you enjoyed it! She really breaks it down well. redqueen Jan 2014 #29

She really did. I love it when people use theory to explain, like she did. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #30

I live in the UK... radtransfem Feb 2014 #34

Thank you for the clarification, Lisa! cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #35

Aw, radtransfem Feb 2014 #36

And I think many on the left often uses pro-porn stances as a means of escaping sexual shame ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #19

But even at best, it's not enough. The "prop" that is. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #38

what we should preach is mzteris Jan 2014 #20

Some will compare porn to other jobs as if they're analogous, redqueen Jan 2014 #22

I was reading about this yesterday cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #24

There's a lot of denial going on, for self-described liberals and progressives to be defending this redqueen Jan 2014 #25

There is no limit (no bottom) to human cruelty. We are a sick, sick species. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #39

I don't want to derail your post in the men's group noamnety Jan 2014 #26

Ugh, is that going on in that group? redqueen Jan 2014 #27

I'm at a loss for an appropriate answer. noamnety Jan 2014 #31

If it's a sincere attempt at honest discussion, the guilt by association bullshit needs to stop. redqueen Jan 2014 #32

I really respect and mzteris Jan 2014 #33