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Recursion

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14. And if they do that they're breaking the law
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:24 PM
Apr 2013
Totally ignoring fact that a bunch of they yahoos selling at gun shows are dealers -- have a table, and lay their guns out to entice yahoos -- but do not perform background checks.

If a licensed dealer sells a gun to someone and does not perform a background check, he's breaking the law. Are you saying that the yahoos are de facto unlicensed dealers? This is another reason we need an ATF head, to crack down on that, but in the absence of that, making it "more illegal" won't really do much. But people also sell guns at garage sales and swap meets.

Though we both agree on this:

I think a background check, etc., should performed even when dad dies and leaves his gun cache to the kids -- who may be drug addicts, or god knows what.

I'm with you there. It's illegal for a dad to give his son beer, for that matter, so this isn't exactly new Constitutional territory.

I'm thinking of five paradigmatic ways guns are transferred; call it a spectrum.

1. Person goes to a licensed dealer and buys a gun retail
2. Person goes to a private party in a gun-show or swap-meet setting and buys a gun
3. Person buys a gun from a private party in a more casual setting (classified ad, bulletin board, etc.)
4. Person buys a gun in an alley from a black market dealer
5. Person steals a gun

Obviously no background check requirement is going to stop 4 and 5. 1 is pretty easy to control, and those controls are working well. We're talking about 2 and 3. These are situations where, for instance, states are theoretically asking for sales tax but have a compliance rate of essentially 0% for that.

Do you think there's a way to really mandate background checks on scenarios 2 and 3? I do not, which is why I lean towards requiring all transfers of firearms to be scenario 1, and go through a licensed dealer.

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Anybody with a booth at a gun show is not conducting a private sale. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #1
It's common practice if you want to sell a gun just walk around the doc03 Apr 2013 #2
The gun cultists tell us there is no gun show loophole. Of course, they also pretend Hoyt Apr 2013 #3
The point is that loophole had nothing to do with being at a gun show Recursion Apr 2013 #5
No one is saying that the gun show is the only place it can happen. Squinch Apr 2013 #7
That's also not what the Twinkie defense was Recursion Apr 2013 #8
But he did not say that the junk food he was eating was limited to Twinkies. I believe Squinch Apr 2013 #9
An inexplicable and tangential discussion of inconsequential details Robb Apr 2013 #10
Makes me feel like this: Squinch Apr 2013 #11
If gun shows are where they are happening, there is more we can do Recursion Apr 2013 #19
trying to derail the thread? CreekDog Apr 2013 #17
No. I want to know what percentage of private sales happen at gun shows Recursion Apr 2013 #18
so you posted 6 times in a thread to ask that question? CreekDog Apr 2013 #20
Yes, nobody seems to know, which is a shame Recursion Apr 2013 #21
"Gunshow loophole" doesn't suggest that at all CreekDog Apr 2013 #23
My issue with the phrase "gun show" sir pball Apr 2013 #22
Gee perhaps it is because they are Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #12
Except gun cultists would say that dealers at gun shows are already required to background check. Hoyt Apr 2013 #13
And if they do that they're breaking the law Recursion Apr 2013 #14
"Thats the problem & the NRA gives it cover.".... Historic NY Apr 2013 #4
The Senate should confirm an ATF director and untie the ATF's hands Recursion Apr 2013 #6
I think the president should do a recess appt if he thinks it will matter. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #15
True, but as a realistic matter a recess appointee is hobbled Recursion Apr 2013 #16
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