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46. how is this fellow the 'Democratic cause? '
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 11:49 AM
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...I didn't vote for him.

And, btw, I support EVERY Democratic nominee like my own kin, but people have a lot of nerve expecting fealty to one potential candidate right now in what should be an expansive field of hopefuls in that future election.

Trump's belittling the European leaders like he doesn't live in a glass house, and here comes the Democratic governor of California acting as if he doesn't live here too.

Do you really think the Europeans really care that a Democratic governor is scolding them about their inability to control Trump, any more than Newsom's 'tall and strong' stuff has controlled him so far?

The Europeans can't remove him from office, and they should be loath to do anything that hurts their own interests now that the U.S. has all but abandoned any pretense of cooperation or care for European concerns and is insisting that the world revolve around America.

This paternalism that pretends that the U.S. doesn't need Europe more than they need us is dangerous revisionism. It's the U.S. who is isolating itself away from being able to advance our own interests; the Trump regime now reduced to bullying them, as they're too arrogant to treat them as allies instead of obstacles and do the actual work of diplomacy.

What I can't understand is why the governor thought it was a good idea to come out of what he said were private discussions and betray those confidences, instead of just contiuning to press them behind the scenes to do whatever he wanted.

Is this an example of his foreign policy approach - talking down to and treating foreign allies like he's their boss? I mean, he was at a diplomatic conference complaining about diplomacy being practiced by people who have more experience with autocratic regimes than a Ca. governor.

He's sitting on a workable Democratic majority in his state, making all of his excellent actions in that state behind a Democratic legislature, and his behaving as if everyone else has that political advantage.

It's the same with the attacks on Democrats here at home who have none of the advantages of a majority to do what Democrats naturally, reliably, and successfully do when they hold the most seats in the legislature.

It's just sophistry, really, with such a simple portrayal of the challenges to Europe, coupled with zero regard expressed for their OWN prerogatives. Hell, he didn't even bother to mention the pushback that we saw from several of the European leaders, and really demagogued their efforts to resist Trump, knowing little to nothing about the state of their respective nations' political affairs from his confortable seat in Cali.

European leaders aren't Trump, and they certainly aren't Trump supporters. They don't deserve to be talked down to by Americans who have foisted this cretin on the world with our own refusal to stand up to the bully. He walked all over California, even as the governor stood 'tall and strong.'

If he wants support for being the 'Democratic advantage' he needs to win the nomination for president. But in the interim, with so much at stake for me personally, I will not fail to speak my mind about what kind of leader I want to represent me, and no one should automatically assume that the Ca, governor speaks for me on everything that comes out of his mouth.

I do understand how challenging it is watching republicans bull their way through with their narrow majority; ignoring rules and laws as they consolidate their temporary power.

But the answer to all of that isn't to adopt the same autocratic attitude that assumes people can be cowed into doing what we want. The principles of coalition-building and cooperation still apply.

Newsom or any other politician is going to find it's like spitting in the wind trying to put things back in order by dictating down to the people they intend to lead. That machismo is a myth that assumes leaders do the heavy lifting, instead of the people they govern.

It's one thing to stand up to enemies, and yet another to generate the cooperation from allies that is essential to accomplishing more than just domination and control. It's not something new, it's a basic formula for dealing with our neighbors like friends and not just opportunities for us to advantage our own country.

One thing that has been distressing to me is the way that our politics has devolved into these false, zero-sum calculations that treat humans in the way of politics as abstract obstacles.

It's a recipe for chaos and anarchy, and makes is all ripe for domination by someone completely oblivious to what the people want, who thinks we should be fighting their personal battles instead of tending to our own needs.

I said above that the governor seems to be on a learning curve. I'd hope one of the first things he gets right is that he'll need to do more than merely communicate what he wants to the people he intends to lead, and that he learns to form coalitions of support behind his ideals and initiatives among people who aren't in his immediate orbit and influence.

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Yeah he needs to be more weak and ineffectual like Merrick Garland. BannonsLiver Tuesday #1
Yup, par for the course LR3 Tuesday #3
Um, no Dave says Wednesday #50
You are absolutely right. sheshe2 Tuesday #2
Appeasement didn't work out too well for Europe in the 1930's newdeal2 Tuesday #4
I was disturbed when I heard him earlier today. brer cat Tuesday #5
He didn't "blow up" MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #6
So he didn't say... TheProle Tuesday #12
Newsom is right Skittles Tuesday #15
That wasn't my question to the previous poster, but noted. TheProle Tuesday #16
He was addressing the press. MorbidButterflyTat 15 hrs ago #94
Not arguing anymore TheProle 29 min ago #102
Mark Carney appears to be the only leader who truly gets it peggysue2 23 hrs ago #68
Right on time. Kingofalldems Tuesday #33
What do you mean? MorbidButterflyTat 15 hrs ago #93
+ 1. If I were casting a remake of The Darkest Hour starring DUers I know who would be playing Lord Halifax. BannonsLiver Tuesday #13
Thanks for the video IcyPeas Tuesday #20
You're welcome, and I agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat 15 hrs ago #95
i'm a considered writer, not a kneejerk poster, and I always make the effort to be clear bigtree Tuesday #23
European parliaments have frank discussion, at cachukis Tuesday #28
Nothing personal MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #96
He did not creon Wednesday #53
If he is planning to Greg_In_SF Tuesday #7
Right....because the other party is Bettie 21 hrs ago #72
You're right Greg_In_SF 16 hrs ago #85
There is nothing remotely MAGAt about Gavin Newsom MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #97
I never said there was. Greg_In_SF 5 hrs ago #100
Quite the ironic assertions Torchlight 4 hrs ago #101
Non-ugly American Starbeach Tuesday #8
not even wrong creon Tuesday #9
THANK YOU Skittles Tuesday #18
We are always in transition. Trump has spoiled the cachukis Tuesday #10
Agree IcyPeas Tuesday #22
DURec leftstreet Tuesday #11
Sorry he's absolutely right fujiyamasan Tuesday #14
I would say he is right. It's a fucking embarassment from all corners. Not excusing any US politician. boston bean Tuesday #17
Totally agree with you. nt Raine Tuesday #19
Newsom is right. And Europe consistently looks weak. Renew Deal Tuesday #21
Europe looks weak because they're dealing with internal issues haele Tuesday #30
What do you mean by TimeToGo Tuesday #35
Sorry, typing on my phone, will correct the stupid haele Tuesday #36
😎 We've all been there TimeToGo Tuesday #40
I couldn't agree more Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #24
He's right though. GoodRaisin Tuesday #25
Maybe. I think that they get it. themaguffin Tuesday #26
I'm on Newsom's side here. The entire world needs to be more vocal in their stances against Trump. LonePirate Tuesday #27
Hell no. TIME TO KICK SOME ASS. Irish_Dem Tuesday #29
"Nice guys finish last." Leo Durocher anciano Tuesday #31
..in bed. Qutzupalotl Wednesday #58
I voted for him for governor but I'd rather have someone else as President kimbutgar Tuesday #32
I support Newsom's remarks and attitude 100%.. Escape Tuesday #34
Wondering what European leaders think of America voters. Emile Tuesday #37
I find nothing wrong with what he said. nt Chalco Tuesday #38
Newsom is right about the complicity of the world's superrich. He's doing his part. I don't see any other Democratic ancianita Tuesday #39
how is this fellow the 'Democratic cause? ' bigtree Wednesday #46
Thanks for your usual thoughtful post. Much appreciated. I want to point out that he is frustrated, because ancianita Wednesday #48
Nothing worse than mealy mouthed apologists & critics of courage NotHardly Tuesday #41
Not a good look for Newsom. OGBuzz Tuesday #42
Hmmm GusBob Wednesday #43
Would giving specifics be viewed as treason? n/t BadgerKid Wednesday #44
Meh, when you lead an economy as large as California's, you get to say certain things JonAndKatePlusABird Wednesday #45
I doubt they cared at this point beyond bemusement bigtree Wednesday #47
Sorry, I'm sick and tired of meek capitulation. Arthur_Frain Wednesday #49
Well, The High Road markodochartaigh Wednesday #51
our votes for Obama kept the Democrats in control of the WH for EIGHT YEARS bigtree Yesterday #62
Yes--I felt it was a bit over the top with the "knee pads" and "pathetic" being thrown around crimycarny Wednesday #52
Newsom was right on substance but still made a strategic error. tritsofme Wednesday #54
I like the fire Sugarcoated Wednesday #55
No one whose judgment included marrying Kimberley Guilfoyle DJ Synikus Makisimus Wednesday #56
I disagree with some points, agree with others, and just plain don't markodochartaigh Wednesday #57
I think this is a load of CRAP, to criticize one of the few Democratic Party leaders Jack Valentino Wednesday #59
so bigtree Yesterday #60
'...and like all macho displays in response to political challenges, the OP's response contained more heat than light' Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #89
it would be a different discussion if it centered on what I wrote in the op bigtree 15 hrs ago #92
Thank you, amigo.... My main fault on this forum has to be Jack Valentino 14 hrs ago #98
I stand with Gavin Blues Heron Yesterday #61
👍 👏 💯 🗣🔊 ColoringFool Yesterday #63
why is he attacking the Europeans? bigtree Yesterday #65
Did you read what he said? It's a wake up call. Blues Heron Yesterday #66
did I read it? bigtree Yesterday #67
Your overreacting , this is 2026- there is a new, less uptight electorate out there, the fuddy duddy era is over Blues Heron 21 hrs ago #70
you're bigtree 21 hrs ago #71
This thread sure went south on you pretty quickly. BannonsLiver 21 hrs ago #73
I think Newsome was absolutely right. That is the problem with almost all politicians and so called leaders, Autumn Yesterday #64
We need more Gavin Newsoms and less tone police Renew Deal 23 hrs ago #69
Hmmm, disinvesting in the US FHRRK 20 hrs ago #74
no, what you wrote is specious bigtree 20 hrs ago #75
Let me give some general advice FHRRK 17 hrs ago #81
it's already assumed in this format that respondants are positing their own opinions bigtree 17 hrs ago #82
Again, IMO, people are looking for fighters FHRRK 17 hrs ago #83
do you know what specious means? superficially plausible, but actually wrong bigtree 17 hrs ago #84
For the love of all things holy FHRRK 16 hrs ago #86
let me put it more plainly bigtree 15 hrs ago #87
"I lied..." FHRRK 15 hrs ago #88
did you tell the truth? bigtree 15 hrs ago #90
Whew! FHRRK 15 hrs ago #91
Bullshit. Newsom was brilliant. He's positioned himself as the anti-trump. Euro leaders want that. Sibelius Fan 20 hrs ago #76
he also positioned himself as anti-European leader bigtree 19 hrs ago #79
at least he's trying - which is a lot more than so many other leaders samsingh 20 hrs ago #77
but that's not the issue I'm raising here bigtree 20 hrs ago #78
Newsom really fucked over the elderly and disabled CountAllVotes 19 hrs ago #80
Recommended. H2O Man 14 hrs ago #99
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