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markodochartaigh

(5,154 posts)
57. I disagree with some points, agree with others, and just plain don't
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 10:28 PM
Wednesday

know how things will play out. But I'm more than happy to recommend this post for the effort which went into it as well as the level of discussion which it has elicited.

For what it's worth, I think that we are too focused on the incorrect target. As sad as it is to believe that nuclear weapons, the world's largest military, and so much of the US economy is under the thumb of someone as compromised on every level as Trump, I don't think that he is the root of the problem. In fact, I see him now as the Republican party's biggest problem. I think that he should be allowed to tear their party apart. The US' authoritarian problem came from the right and it will have to be solved by having a non-authoritarian right wing solution. To be viable a democracy must have at least two viable parties committed to democracy and the US is one party short. Unfortunately a moderate left wing party and a progressive left wing party would only split the vote allowing the right wing party to win. Eventually the electorate might be educated and engaged enough to fight the right wing party, but we are not there now nor will we be soon enough. Nevertheless, an ignorant and apathetic electorate got us here and I think that this is one target which we must focus on immediately.

Another target is our oiligarchs. They are as much the reason that we are losing our democracy as the electorate. Reining them in, if it is possible, will cause extreme short-term damage to the economy and stock market. But they have proven that they are enemies of democracy. If Europe does use its trade bazooka it could be a start to reining them in. It might be possible to get enough Republicans on board if all of the Democratic members of Congress stuck together to craft legislation here.
Leaving Trump to thrash and trash the Republican party will do incredible damage to the US and our institutions. But I think that if he were replaced now by a polished authoritarian more acceptable to the corporate Republicans, and still acceptable to the maga base, the damage would be worse. It took half a century to get rid of Franco. Several African countries and North Korea still have authoritarian Strong Leaders.

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Yeah he needs to be more weak and ineffectual like Merrick Garland. BannonsLiver Tuesday #1
Yup, par for the course LR3 Tuesday #3
Um, no Dave says Wednesday #50
You are absolutely right. sheshe2 Tuesday #2
Appeasement didn't work out too well for Europe in the 1930's newdeal2 Tuesday #4
I was disturbed when I heard him earlier today. brer cat Tuesday #5
He didn't "blow up" MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #6
So he didn't say... TheProle Tuesday #12
Newsom is right Skittles Tuesday #15
That wasn't my question to the previous poster, but noted. TheProle Tuesday #16
He was addressing the press. MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #94
Not arguing anymore TheProle Friday #102
Mark Carney appears to be the only leader who truly gets it peggysue2 Thursday #68
Right on time. Kingofalldems Tuesday #33
What do you mean? MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #93
+ 1. If I were casting a remake of The Darkest Hour starring DUers I know who would be playing Lord Halifax. BannonsLiver Tuesday #13
Thanks for the video IcyPeas Tuesday #20
You're welcome, and I agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #95
i'm a considered writer, not a kneejerk poster, and I always make the effort to be clear bigtree Tuesday #23
European parliaments have frank discussion, at cachukis Tuesday #28
Nothing personal MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #96
He did not creon Wednesday #53
If he is planning to Greg_In_SF Tuesday #7
Right....because the other party is Bettie Thursday #72
You're right Greg_In_SF Thursday #85
There is nothing remotely MAGAt about Gavin Newsom MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #97
Post removed Post removed Friday #100
Quite the ironic assertions Torchlight Friday #101
Non-ugly American Starbeach Tuesday #8
not even wrong creon Tuesday #9
THANK YOU Skittles Tuesday #18
We are always in transition. Trump has spoiled the cachukis Tuesday #10
Agree IcyPeas Tuesday #22
DURec leftstreet Tuesday #11
Sorry he's absolutely right fujiyamasan Tuesday #14
I would say he is right. It's a fucking embarassment from all corners. Not excusing any US politician. boston bean Tuesday #17
Totally agree with you. nt Raine Tuesday #19
Newsom is right. And Europe consistently looks weak. Renew Deal Tuesday #21
Europe looks weak because they're dealing with internal issues haele Tuesday #30
What do you mean by TimeToGo Tuesday #35
Sorry, typing on my phone, will correct the stupid haele Tuesday #36
😎 We've all been there TimeToGo Tuesday #40
I couldn't agree more Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #24
He's right though. GoodRaisin Tuesday #25
Maybe. I think that they get it. themaguffin Tuesday #26
I'm on Newsom's side here. The entire world needs to be more vocal in their stances against Trump. LonePirate Tuesday #27
Hell no. TIME TO KICK SOME ASS. Irish_Dem Tuesday #29
"Nice guys finish last." Leo Durocher anciano Tuesday #31
..in bed. Qutzupalotl Wednesday #58
I voted for him for governor but I'd rather have someone else as President kimbutgar Tuesday #32
I support Newsom's remarks and attitude 100%.. Escape Tuesday #34
Wondering what European leaders think of America voters. Emile Tuesday #37
I find nothing wrong with what he said. nt Chalco Tuesday #38
Newsom is right about the complicity of the world's superrich. He's doing his part. I don't see any other Democratic ancianita Tuesday #39
how is this fellow the 'Democratic cause? ' bigtree Wednesday #46
Thanks for your usual thoughtful post. Much appreciated. I want to point out that he is frustrated, because ancianita Wednesday #48
Nothing worse than mealy mouthed apologists & critics of courage NotHardly Tuesday #41
Not a good look for Newsom. OGBuzz Tuesday #42
Hmmm GusBob Wednesday #43
Would giving specifics be viewed as treason? n/t BadgerKid Wednesday #44
Meh, when you lead an economy as large as California's, you get to say certain things JonAndKatePlusABird Wednesday #45
I doubt they cared at this point beyond bemusement bigtree Wednesday #47
Sorry, I'm sick and tired of meek capitulation. Arthur_Frain Wednesday #49
Well, The High Road markodochartaigh Wednesday #51
our votes for Obama kept the Democrats in control of the WH for EIGHT YEARS bigtree Thursday #62
Yes--I felt it was a bit over the top with the "knee pads" and "pathetic" being thrown around crimycarny Wednesday #52
Newsom was right on substance but still made a strategic error. tritsofme Wednesday #54
I like the fire Sugarcoated Wednesday #55
No one whose judgment included marrying Kimberley Guilfoyle DJ Synikus Makisimus Wednesday #56
I disagree with some points, agree with others, and just plain don't markodochartaigh Wednesday #57
I think this is a load of CRAP, to criticize one of the few Democratic Party leaders Jack Valentino Wednesday #59
so bigtree Thursday #60
'...and like all macho displays in response to political challenges, the OP's response contained more heat than light' Jack Valentino Thursday #89
it would be a different discussion if it centered on what I wrote in the op bigtree Thursday #92
Thank you, amigo.... My main fault on this forum has to be Jack Valentino Thursday #98
I stand with Gavin Blues Heron Thursday #61
👍 👏 💯 🗣🔊 ColoringFool Thursday #63
why is he attacking the Europeans? bigtree Thursday #65
Did you read what he said? It's a wake up call. Blues Heron Thursday #66
did I read it? bigtree Thursday #67
Your overreacting , this is 2026- there is a new, less uptight electorate out there, the fuddy duddy era is over Blues Heron Thursday #70
you're bigtree Thursday #71
This thread sure went south on you pretty quickly. BannonsLiver Thursday #73
I think Newsome was absolutely right. That is the problem with almost all politicians and so called leaders, Autumn Thursday #64
We need more Gavin Newsoms and less tone police Renew Deal Thursday #69
Hmmm, disinvesting in the US FHRRK Thursday #74
no, what you wrote is specious bigtree Thursday #75
Let me give some general advice FHRRK Thursday #81
it's already assumed in this format that respondants are positing their own opinions bigtree Thursday #82
Again, IMO, people are looking for fighters FHRRK Thursday #83
do you know what specious means? superficially plausible, but actually wrong bigtree Thursday #84
For the love of all things holy FHRRK Thursday #86
let me put it more plainly bigtree Thursday #87
"I lied..." FHRRK Thursday #88
did you tell the truth? bigtree Thursday #90
Whew! FHRRK Thursday #91
Bullshit. Newsom was brilliant. He's positioned himself as the anti-trump. Euro leaders want that. Sibelius Fan Thursday #76
he also positioned himself as anti-European leader bigtree Thursday #79
at least he's trying - which is a lot more than so many other leaders samsingh Thursday #77
but that's not the issue I'm raising here bigtree Thursday #78
Newsom really fucked over the elderly and disabled CountAllVotes Thursday #80
Recommended. H2O Man Thursday #99
K&R LetMyPeopleVote Friday #103
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