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92. it would be a different discussion if it centered on what I wrote in the op
Thu Jan 22, 2026, 08:52 PM
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...and not on defending Newsom as a political figure which I have absolutely no objection to, and actually support his efforts, so far.

But I may have been naive in being deliberately obtuse to presidential politics to think I could have a discussion about American politicians and other U.S. leaders and the way they talk to the Europeans. I couldn't have been more explanatory, though.

I get that people see what they want, but it's been mostly unsatisfying to my effort in the op, to defend myself against the absurd (for anyone that knows me) that I threaten Newsom politically by criticizing him, or threaten something Democratic as some posters intimated.

"I think this is a load of CRAP, to criticize one of the few Democratic Party leaders..."


Does this really make sense to you three years out from an election where there is bound to be an expansive field of candidates? How will we ever distinguish between them if we don't express our disagreements?

And, hell, I was nice enough. I would think that alone deserved some attention to the subject (Newsom or any other American pol's attitude and approach to communicating their differences wth our allies?

Here I was thinking the substance of what I wrote was just ignored because it may not be in folks' wheelhouse. I can see now that most of the criticism came down in defense of something that I actually agree with, his political viability.

I don't think posting here is campaigning, but I've been here since this forum concerned itself with much more than presidential politics, and posters challenged each other with ideas instead of their politics.

I can do both, but I prefer the latter.

Now, about liking me and the rest. I appreciate that, sincerely. I take the time to respond to you because of my regard for you, as well. I will endeavor to take more care to depersonalize my responses. It's how I'd like to be responded to, so that just makes sense.

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Yeah he needs to be more weak and ineffectual like Merrick Garland. BannonsLiver Tuesday #1
Yup, par for the course LR3 Tuesday #3
Um, no Dave says Wednesday #50
You are absolutely right. sheshe2 Tuesday #2
Appeasement didn't work out too well for Europe in the 1930's newdeal2 Tuesday #4
I was disturbed when I heard him earlier today. brer cat Tuesday #5
He didn't "blow up" MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #6
So he didn't say... TheProle Tuesday #12
Newsom is right Skittles Tuesday #15
That wasn't my question to the previous poster, but noted. TheProle Tuesday #16
He was addressing the press. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #94
Not arguing anymore TheProle 9 hrs ago #102
Mark Carney appears to be the only leader who truly gets it peggysue2 Yesterday #68
Right on time. Kingofalldems Tuesday #33
What do you mean? MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #93
+ 1. If I were casting a remake of The Darkest Hour starring DUers I know who would be playing Lord Halifax. BannonsLiver Tuesday #13
Thanks for the video IcyPeas Tuesday #20
You're welcome, and I agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #95
i'm a considered writer, not a kneejerk poster, and I always make the effort to be clear bigtree Tuesday #23
European parliaments have frank discussion, at cachukis Tuesday #28
Nothing personal MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #96
He did not creon Wednesday #53
If he is planning to Greg_In_SF Tuesday #7
Right....because the other party is Bettie Yesterday #72
You're right Greg_In_SF Yesterday #85
There is nothing remotely MAGAt about Gavin Newsom MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #97
Post removed Post removed 15 hrs ago #100
Quite the ironic assertions Torchlight 14 hrs ago #101
Non-ugly American Starbeach Tuesday #8
not even wrong creon Tuesday #9
THANK YOU Skittles Tuesday #18
We are always in transition. Trump has spoiled the cachukis Tuesday #10
Agree IcyPeas Tuesday #22
DURec leftstreet Tuesday #11
Sorry he's absolutely right fujiyamasan Tuesday #14
I would say he is right. It's a fucking embarassment from all corners. Not excusing any US politician. boston bean Tuesday #17
Totally agree with you. nt Raine Tuesday #19
Newsom is right. And Europe consistently looks weak. Renew Deal Tuesday #21
Europe looks weak because they're dealing with internal issues haele Tuesday #30
What do you mean by TimeToGo Tuesday #35
Sorry, typing on my phone, will correct the stupid haele Tuesday #36
😎 We've all been there TimeToGo Tuesday #40
I couldn't agree more Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #24
He's right though. GoodRaisin Tuesday #25
Maybe. I think that they get it. themaguffin Tuesday #26
I'm on Newsom's side here. The entire world needs to be more vocal in their stances against Trump. LonePirate Tuesday #27
Hell no. TIME TO KICK SOME ASS. Irish_Dem Tuesday #29
"Nice guys finish last." Leo Durocher anciano Tuesday #31
..in bed. Qutzupalotl Wednesday #58
I voted for him for governor but I'd rather have someone else as President kimbutgar Tuesday #32
I support Newsom's remarks and attitude 100%.. Escape Tuesday #34
Wondering what European leaders think of America voters. Emile Tuesday #37
I find nothing wrong with what he said. nt Chalco Tuesday #38
Newsom is right about the complicity of the world's superrich. He's doing his part. I don't see any other Democratic ancianita Tuesday #39
how is this fellow the 'Democratic cause? ' bigtree Wednesday #46
Thanks for your usual thoughtful post. Much appreciated. I want to point out that he is frustrated, because ancianita Wednesday #48
Nothing worse than mealy mouthed apologists & critics of courage NotHardly Tuesday #41
Not a good look for Newsom. OGBuzz Tuesday #42
Hmmm GusBob Wednesday #43
Would giving specifics be viewed as treason? n/t BadgerKid Wednesday #44
Meh, when you lead an economy as large as California's, you get to say certain things JonAndKatePlusABird Wednesday #45
I doubt they cared at this point beyond bemusement bigtree Wednesday #47
Sorry, I'm sick and tired of meek capitulation. Arthur_Frain Wednesday #49
Well, The High Road markodochartaigh Wednesday #51
our votes for Obama kept the Democrats in control of the WH for EIGHT YEARS bigtree Yesterday #62
Yes--I felt it was a bit over the top with the "knee pads" and "pathetic" being thrown around crimycarny Wednesday #52
Newsom was right on substance but still made a strategic error. tritsofme Wednesday #54
I like the fire Sugarcoated Wednesday #55
No one whose judgment included marrying Kimberley Guilfoyle DJ Synikus Makisimus Wednesday #56
I disagree with some points, agree with others, and just plain don't markodochartaigh Wednesday #57
I think this is a load of CRAP, to criticize one of the few Democratic Party leaders Jack Valentino Wednesday #59
so bigtree Yesterday #60
'...and like all macho displays in response to political challenges, the OP's response contained more heat than light' Jack Valentino Yesterday #89
it would be a different discussion if it centered on what I wrote in the op bigtree Yesterday #92
Thank you, amigo.... My main fault on this forum has to be Jack Valentino 23 hrs ago #98
I stand with Gavin Blues Heron Yesterday #61
👍 👏 💯 🗣🔊 ColoringFool Yesterday #63
why is he attacking the Europeans? bigtree Yesterday #65
Did you read what he said? It's a wake up call. Blues Heron Yesterday #66
did I read it? bigtree Yesterday #67
Your overreacting , this is 2026- there is a new, less uptight electorate out there, the fuddy duddy era is over Blues Heron Yesterday #70
you're bigtree Yesterday #71
This thread sure went south on you pretty quickly. BannonsLiver Yesterday #73
I think Newsome was absolutely right. That is the problem with almost all politicians and so called leaders, Autumn Yesterday #64
We need more Gavin Newsoms and less tone police Renew Deal Yesterday #69
Hmmm, disinvesting in the US FHRRK Yesterday #74
no, what you wrote is specious bigtree Yesterday #75
Let me give some general advice FHRRK Yesterday #81
it's already assumed in this format that respondants are positing their own opinions bigtree Yesterday #82
Again, IMO, people are looking for fighters FHRRK Yesterday #83
do you know what specious means? superficially plausible, but actually wrong bigtree Yesterday #84
For the love of all things holy FHRRK Yesterday #86
let me put it more plainly bigtree Yesterday #87
"I lied..." FHRRK Yesterday #88
did you tell the truth? bigtree Yesterday #90
Whew! FHRRK Yesterday #91
Bullshit. Newsom was brilliant. He's positioned himself as the anti-trump. Euro leaders want that. Sibelius Fan Yesterday #76
he also positioned himself as anti-European leader bigtree Yesterday #79
at least he's trying - which is a lot more than so many other leaders samsingh Yesterday #77
but that's not the issue I'm raising here bigtree Yesterday #78
Newsom really fucked over the elderly and disabled CountAllVotes Yesterday #80
Recommended. H2O Man 23 hrs ago #99
K&R LetMyPeopleVote 6 hrs ago #103
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