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PatSeg

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20. "Everybody does it"

Reply to struggle4progress (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 6, 2026, 07:39 PM

11 hrs ago

I've even heard republicans say, "It's just politics". That is what GW Bush said to John McCain after Bush's campaign tried to slander McCain and his family. "It's just politics, John, nothing personal."

So basically, lying is okay if it helps you win, because with republicans, it is all about winning. This rampant dishonesty is why so many people hate politicians. They tend to equate them with used car salesmen.

If we have to lie, cheat, and steal in order to win, then we're no better than they are and we'll deserve what we get.

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How do we figure out how to do what they do, because it's why they win. [View all] Arthur_Frain 16 hrs ago OP

They are angry, disciplined, and stuck on themselves. bucolic_frolic 15 hrs ago #1

Yeah Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #9

So many parts of the Democratic base ITAL 15 hrs ago #2

Me too Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #10

We're in a bad place, but there are not more of them than there are of us. CrispyQ 15 hrs ago #3

The voting public vs everyone in the US Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #11

It is more about entertainment PatSeg 11 hrs ago #17

They play to the old, reactive brain. And vice versa. Here: usonian 15 hrs ago #4

I'm not sure we as a nation are smart enough to follow Hungary's lead. Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #12

24 by 7 by 365 brainwashing for years on end. usonian 11 hrs ago #22

Against what I see to be the odds Arthur_Frain 11 hrs ago #24

Unlike Spain, Italy and Germany, I think there are enough powerful people to halt the takeover. usonian 10 hrs ago #25

When you look too deeply into the abyss... Wounded Bear 15 hrs ago #5

I wasn't suggesting walling in the mud with pigs. Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #13

It's sad really, but this happens in virtually every election: Janbdwl72 15 hrs ago #6

You bring up a tangential point Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #14

I think a much bigger problem is the media PatSeg 11 hrs ago #19

A large part of their winning strategy is the fact that they have an City Lights 14 hrs ago #7

Even my mom parrots the right wing bullshit. Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #15

Decades of RW media, especially RW talk radio, which has been particularly effective in rural areas. highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #8

They weren't stupid Arthur_Frain 12 hrs ago #16

They win by lying, cheating, and stealing. If we do that, their natural retort is "Eveybody does it" struggle4progress 11 hrs ago #18

"Everybody does it" PatSeg 11 hrs ago #20

+ struggle4progress 11 hrs ago #23

My theory? Goes something like this: B.See 11 hrs ago #21

You have to want to win. Irish_Dem 10 hrs ago #26

They tell you how and what to think GenThePerservering 8 hrs ago #27