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In reply to the discussion: ICE promises bystanders who challenged Charlottesville raid will be prosecuted [View all]azureblue
(2,414 posts)Until they display proper ID, show full face, and a warrant, they are kidnappers / abductors and should be arrested by citizens preventing a crime. And treated as child molesters / pedos if there are children involved.
If they flash a badge, yell "FAKE!" and demand paper identification, and photograph it, and say it looks fake, so you are calling the cops for impersonating a police officer. Call the cops and do not let ICE leave - tell them they are evading arrest, if they try to. Then, when the cops get there, make the ICE agents show cops the warrant, properly signed and show proper ID, then make them explain to the cops why they refused to ID them selves when attempting an abduction.
Maybe there is an attorney in the crowd, too... And, as another poster points out, what if a CC person pulled a gun on them and told them hands up or be shot? And held them on the ground until the cops came. All you would be doing would preventing a crime.
There are several "Failure to ID" laws, and cops who do not ID themselves run afoul of them a lot. ICE ignores this. They cannot prosecute people trying to prevent a kidnapping if they do not ID themselves from the very beginning, before they grab a person.. So that is the defense - "You Honor, I saw what looked to be a kidnapping or abduction by a bunch of shady looking men - I thought they were gangsters or something - they sure looked like it to me, so I jumped in to save the person. They attacked me, THEN they said they were ICE, but they never showed me a badge or ID."
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